Religion working together with science
I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
Frank Herbert, Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear, "Dune"
A useful sentiment.
ruveyn
This is particularly true for religions which take their holy books literally.
ruveyn
Not completely. The study of religions and the reason why mankind(NTs) believe in them. Religions are consistent with evolutionary psychology. Religions are a collection of servival traits, many of them are still relevent today.
This is particularly true for religions which take their holy books literally.
ruveyn
Not completely. The study of religions and the reason why mankind(NTs) believe in them. Religions are consistent with evolutionary psychology. Religions are a collection of servival traits, many of them are still relevent today.
Could you elaborate on this?
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Frank Herbert, Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear, "Dune"
A useful sentiment.
ruveyn
Fear is a servival trait. When you study animals in nature you will realise this.
Not completely. The study of religions and the reason why mankind(NTs) believe in them. Religions are consistent with evolutionary psychology. Religions are a collection of survival traits, many of them are still relevant today.
Really? Like killing infidels? Is that a fact?
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Faith, hope, and life topic
Some have faith in science and some have faith in religion.
Some people just have hope.
The universe ever expands, whether we like it or not.
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Speaking of religion and science working together:
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/press_re ... 11_06.html
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Wherever they burn books they will also, in the end, burn human beings. ~Heinrich Heine, Almansor, 1823
?I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me.? - Hunter S. Thompson
A sensible person will take all possible precautions before undertaking any dangerous procedure (such as, to cite one of the examples above, starting up a nuclear reactor). Once those precautions have been taken, however, I see no problem with tossing in a prayer or three to Whomever you think might be listening, from Jehovah to the Flying Spaghetti Monster - if you're right, you've called in an extra level of protection, as it were, and if you're wrong, no harm has been done...
Oh, by the way, ruveyn, "killing of infidels" is hardly the only thing that any religion has brought the world. (In fact, the attitude seems to be restricted to the Abrahamic faiths, although only certain fundamentalist branches of Christianity and Islam exhibit it these days.)
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There's plenty buddhists that kill infidels too.
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Wherever they burn books they will also, in the end, burn human beings. ~Heinrich Heine, Almansor, 1823
?I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me.? - Hunter S. Thompson
Religion cannot co-exist with science. Theists can try to rationalize and say, well of course evolution happened - God did it. This argument is called God of the Gaps, because wherever there is a gap in human knowledge, it can be filled with God. For example, 2000 years ago in Scandinavia, people believed that whenever thunder roared above their heads, it was Thor's doing; Thor was angry, and was pounding his hammer in the sky. Now of course we know that thunder is a sonic shockwave produced by lightning.
Saying that religion is compatible with science is a lie; religion actively attempts to destroy the influence of science, sabotage science itself, and wants nothing more than the total abolition of science and the instatement of theocracy. To an arm-chair theist, what I'm saying most likely sounds offensive, but whoever pushes this nonsense about science being compatible with its mortal enemy should really read the bible.
Saying that religion is compatible with science is a lie; religion actively attempts to destroy the influence of science, sabotage science itself, and wants nothing more than the total abolition of science and the instatement of theocracy. To an arm-chair theist, what I'm saying most likely sounds offensive, but whoever pushes this nonsense about science being compatible with its mortal enemy should really read the bible.
Amen
ruveyn
Saying that religion is compatible with science is a lie; religion actively attempts to destroy the influence of science, sabotage science itself, and wants nothing more than the total abolition of science and the instatement of theocracy. To an arm-chair theist, what I'm saying most likely sounds offensive, but whoever pushes this nonsense about science being compatible with its mortal enemy should really read the bible.
Agreed. All we really need to do is look at religous trends. People were generally more religious when more gaps were present. Now that the gaps are closing, people either accept the science and forfeit some (or all) aspects of their religion, or they cling harder to religion by embracing their God and rejecting the scientifically filled gap. If you believe in virgin birth, then you are rejecting science in favor of religion.
Saying that religion is compatible with science is a lie; religion actively attempts to destroy the influence of science, sabotage science itself, and wants nothing more than the total abolition of science and the instatement of theocracy. To an arm-chair theist, what I'm saying most likely sounds offensive, but whoever pushes this nonsense about science being compatible with its mortal enemy should really read the bible.
Agreed. All we really need to do is look at religous trends. People were generally more religious when more gaps were present. Now that the gaps are closing, people either accept the science and forfeit some (or all) aspects of their religion, or they cling harder to religion by embracing their God and rejecting the scientifically filled gap. If you believe in virgin birth, then you are rejecting science in favor of religion.
As an atheist I regard religion as a vestigial plague on human good sense and development but a virgin birth is a lot more possible than some of the more outrageous concepts. Quite a few animals are parthenogenetic but the uniform product is always female. Which leads to the odd conclusion that Christ was a bearded lady.
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