Page 1 of 3 [ 44 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next

skafather84
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 20 Mar 2006
Age: 41
Gender: Male
Posts: 9,848
Location: New Orleans, LA

02 Sep 2009, 3:36 pm

As told by Levi Johnston:


He almost became a member of the Palin family, but Levi Johnston — who fathered former Gov. Sarah Palin's grandchild with her daughter Bristol — isn't holding back when it comes to spilling the Alaska clan's secrets.

"There was a lot of talk of divorce in that house ... times when Sarah and Todd would mention it and sound pretty serious," says Johnston, who turns 19 this year. (Last month, the couple denied Internet rumors of a pending divorce.)

But that wasn't all. In a wide-ranging interview with Vanity Fair in its October issue, out nationally Sept. 8, the teen says that the onetime vice-presidential nominee's frequent self-description as a "hockey mom" who put family above career was far from the truth.


"Even before she was nominated, there wasn't much parenting in that house," he says. "Sarah doesn't cook, Todd doesn't cook — the kids would do it all themselves: cook, clean, do the laundry, and get ready for school. Most of the time Bristol would help her youngest sister with her homework, and I'd barbecue chicken or steak on the grill."

But it was the people of Alaska who might've suffered worse, according to Johnston. Palin often complained that her job as governor was "too hard," and after spending a couple weeks of being gloomy about losing the vice presidency, she focused on making money instead of the needs of Alaskans, he said.

Talk of quitting
"Sarah was sad for a while. She walked around the house pouting," Johnston says. "A week or two after she got back she started talking about how nice it would be to quit and write a book or do a show and make 'triple the money.' She would blatantly say, 'I want to just take this money and quit being governor.' "

Palin resigned from her post as governor of Alaska in July.

Her bid for the White House definitely got to the head of the woman from Wasilla, Johnston adds, saying she'd say things like: "I brought everything to the table" and "The majority of people were out there voting because of me!" when supporters of U.S. Sen. John McCain started to blame her for the loss. "She definitely thought she was running for president," Johnston says.

Palin's ambition for higher office also affected the family's plans for Bristol and Johnston's baby, he says. The governor planned for the baby to be adopted by herself and her husband, Todd, with his real parentage to be kept a secret.

"That way, she said, Bristol and I didn't have to worry about anything," Johnston says. "Sarah kept mentioning this plan. She was nagging – she wouldn't give up. She would say, 'So, are you gonna let me adopt him?' I think Sarah wanted to make Bristol look good, and she didn't want people to know that her 17-year-old daughter was going to have a kid."


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32658521/ns ... day_people


_________________
Wherever they burn books they will also, in the end, burn human beings. ~Heinrich Heine, Almansor, 1823

?I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me.? - Hunter S. Thompson


Jacoby
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Gender: Male
Posts: 14,284
Location: Arizona

02 Sep 2009, 5:09 pm

I don't pay attention to what this hee haw says. He's just riding this money train until the wheels fall off. The left is absolutely obsessed with destroying Palin for whatever reason.



skafather84
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 20 Mar 2006
Age: 41
Gender: Male
Posts: 9,848
Location: New Orleans, LA

02 Sep 2009, 5:33 pm

Jacoby wrote:
I don't pay attention to what this hee haw says. He's just riding this money train until the wheels fall off. The left is absolutely obsessed with destroying Palin for whatever reason.


Actually, the whole thing is working to try and put Palin into a position of power/influence.

You're too mired in the Punch and Judy show to see that, though. And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that a) she's vastly under-qualified to work in any public office; and b) she has ego problems that would pose a threat to national security should she ever be given any position of real power or influence.

And this stuff is obvious just in her body language and the inflections of how she speaks.

Psychologically speaking: if given the chance, she'd gladly gas the "evil" portion of the population.


_________________
Wherever they burn books they will also, in the end, burn human beings. ~Heinrich Heine, Almansor, 1823

?I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me.? - Hunter S. Thompson


Jacoby
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Gender: Male
Posts: 14,284
Location: Arizona

02 Sep 2009, 5:53 pm

skafather84 wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
I don't pay attention to what this hee haw says. He's just riding this money train until the wheels fall off. The left is absolutely obsessed with destroying Palin for whatever reason.


Actually, the whole thing is working to try and put Palin into a position of power/influence.

You're too mired in the Punch and Judy show to see that, though. And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that a) she's vastly under-qualified to work in any public office; and b) she has ego problems that would pose a threat to national security should she ever be given any position of real power or influence.

And this stuff is obvious just in her body language and the inflections of how she speaks.

Psychologically speaking: if given the chance, she'd gladly gas the "evil" portion of the population.


Ugh, excuse me? I know you had a response in mind before you posted this but FYI I'm not a Palin supporter and I too think she is unqualified for the highest office in the land. However, to obsess with her personal life is just stupid and petty. There is plenty of legitimate criticism of this woman and if you're not intelligent enough to debate this with others then maybe you shouldn't have an opinion in the first place.



NOBS
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

User avatar

Joined: 19 Apr 2008
Age: 63
Gender: Male
Posts: 304
Location: Alaska

02 Sep 2009, 6:05 pm

Speaking as one who can almost see her house from here :wink:, (she lives about four miles from me), I believe the whole Palin thing is blown way out of perspective by the media. I voted for her as Governor, and think she did a fairly good job until she was selected by McCain as veep nominee. I believe she got stars in her eyes at that point, and very much sympathise with her perspective. How many of you might not feel justified if you were suddenly chosen for high office. That it was a mistake on the part of the McCain camp, I concede. This was one of the factors that led me to cast a Democratic vote for president for the first time since 1980, in spite of the fact that Obama's ideology is 180 degrees out from mine. McCain's perspective is usually very much in line with mine. It became an issue of trust.



Orwell
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 8 Aug 2007
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 12,518
Location: Room 101

02 Sep 2009, 6:08 pm

Palin's personal life should remain just that- personal. It's none of your damn business. We know Palin is completely unqualified to be in a position of power, and we know now that she is unlikely ever to obtain one again. Beyond that, you don't need to know anything more about her.

NOBS wrote:
McCain's perspective is usually very much in line with mine.

8O

Frightening indeed...


_________________
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH


NOBS
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

User avatar

Joined: 19 Apr 2008
Age: 63
Gender: Male
Posts: 304
Location: Alaska

02 Sep 2009, 6:17 pm

Orwell wrote:

NOBS wrote:
McCain's perspective is usually very much in line with mine.

8O

Frightening indeed...


Curious. How so?



claire-333
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 19 Jun 2008
Age: 55
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,658

02 Sep 2009, 6:44 pm

Let me see if I have this straight. She is not a perfect wife, not a perfect mother, is unhappy with her job, encounters struggle in her marriage, is a bit down from the election loss, and would rather just throw in the towel and persue some easier money making ventures. Where does she get off being so human? She should just lay down on the floor and stop breathing.



Orwell
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 8 Aug 2007
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 12,518
Location: Room 101

02 Sep 2009, 6:56 pm

NOBS wrote:
Orwell wrote:

NOBS wrote:
McCain's perspective is usually very much in line with mine.

8O

Frightening indeed...


Curious. How so?

On foreign policy, McCain is just completely batshit crazy, and there's not much more to be said on that topic. On domestic affairs, I was relatively OK with the economic views he espoused at one point, but his stance on economics kept changing. I had no idea what he was planning or intending. Then he chose Laffer as an economics adviser and I gave up any hope that he'd promote sound economic policies. On other domestic matters, meh, McCain didn't really seem to take terribly strong stances one way or the other. He seemed mostly focused on foreign policy, and his ideas there would have accomplished nothing but getting a lot of people needlessly killed.


_________________
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH


NOBS
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

User avatar

Joined: 19 Apr 2008
Age: 63
Gender: Male
Posts: 304
Location: Alaska

02 Sep 2009, 7:06 pm

I believe Claire333's perspective is far clearer than most. Another point re the lad in question, that I'd guess most aren't aware of; Levi had managed to enroll in an electrical apprenticeship on the North Slope, (through what means I am unaware), in hope of being able to support his, soon to be, new family. This, in spite of his lack of a high school diploma which was required for the program. When the "all Sara, all the time" media found out about this, his company was forced to fire him. It was at that point that he became fodder for the tabloids. Personally, I feel sorry for the poor kid, and the Palin's too.



skafather84
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 20 Mar 2006
Age: 41
Gender: Male
Posts: 9,848
Location: New Orleans, LA

02 Sep 2009, 7:16 pm

Jacoby wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
I don't pay attention to what this hee haw says. He's just riding this money train until the wheels fall off. The left is absolutely obsessed with destroying Palin for whatever reason.


Actually, the whole thing is working to try and put Palin into a position of power/influence.

You're too mired in the Punch and Judy show to see that, though. And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that a) she's vastly under-qualified to work in any public office; and b) she has ego problems that would pose a threat to national security should she ever be given any position of real power or influence.

And this stuff is obvious just in her body language and the inflections of how she speaks.

Psychologically speaking: if given the chance, she'd gladly gas the "evil" portion of the population.


Ugh, excuse me? I know you had a response in mind before you posted this but FYI I'm not a Palin supporter and I too think she is unqualified for the highest office in the land. However, to obsess with her personal life is just stupid and petty. There is plenty of legitimate criticism of this woman and if you're not intelligent enough to debate this with others then maybe you shouldn't have an opinion in the first place.


Public officials don't have a private life.

And I just thought the whole thing was interesting that such a person could achieve as much fame as she has. And as I said before, the whole thing is a Punch and Judy show. Right now, the media is "dishing it out" on her but that's just to keep her in the public eye and stay viable...which believe it or not, this kind of attention normally helps them out (see: claire333's response). It helped out George W. Bush in 1999/2000 that most people thought he was a moron and illiterate. This attention will only make her political presence stronger one way or another...and you can pretty much quote me on that (check back in 4 years).


_________________
Wherever they burn books they will also, in the end, burn human beings. ~Heinrich Heine, Almansor, 1823

?I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me.? - Hunter S. Thompson


NOBS
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

User avatar

Joined: 19 Apr 2008
Age: 63
Gender: Male
Posts: 304
Location: Alaska

02 Sep 2009, 7:22 pm

Orwell wrote:
NOBS wrote:
Orwell wrote:

NOBS wrote:
McCain's perspective is usually very much in line with mine.

8O

Frightening indeed...


Curious. How so?

On foreign policy, McCain is just completely batshit crazy, and there's not much more to be said on that topic. On domestic affairs, I was relatively OK with the economic views he espoused at one point, but his stance on economics kept changing. I had no idea what he was planning or intending. Then he chose Laffer as an economics adviser and I gave up any hope that he'd promote sound economic policies. On other domestic matters, meh, McCain didn't really seem to take terribly strong stances one way or the other. He seemed mostly focused on foreign policy, and his ideas there would have accomplished nothing but getting a lot of people needlessly killed.


If you are referring to the months leading up to the election, I think I can mostly agree with you here, but much of that involved political considerations. That he misjudged is evident based both upon the results of the election, and to me, much more strikingly, that I voted against him. As to foreign policy the advice: Don't pick a fight you aren't willing to finish seems prudent to me. I consider both the "wars" in Iraq and Afghanistan unconstitutional.



claire-333
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 19 Jun 2008
Age: 55
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,658

02 Sep 2009, 7:39 pm

skafather84 wrote:
...which believe it or not, this kind of attention normally helps them out (see: claire333's response).
Well, it would depend on the information involved but, yes, it this case I imaging it might help. He was trying to paint her in a negative light, but could not come up with anything horrible to say about her. If the information were truly negative the results might be very different, but he has only managed to paint a view of her that others can relate to on a personal level. He is a kid and most likely has no idea.



Jacoby
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Gender: Male
Posts: 14,284
Location: Arizona

02 Sep 2009, 8:24 pm

skafather84 wrote:
Public officials don't have a private life.

And I just thought the whole thing was interesting that such a person could achieve as much fame as she has. And as I said before, the whole thing is a Punch and Judy show. Right now, the media is "dishing it out" on her but that's just to keep her in the public eye and stay viable...which believe it or not, this kind of attention normally helps them out (see: claire333's response). It helped out George W. Bush in 1999/2000 that most people thought he was a moron and illiterate. This attention will only make her political presence stronger one way or another...and you can pretty much quote me on that (check back in 4 years).


I think you'd probably think differently if the media tried to tear down Malia and Sasha Obama every chance they get. If it doesn't relate to their job it doesn't matter.

I don't think you have to worry about Sarah Palin ever gaining national office either. Just leave the lady alone. If you have a problem with something she says or believes in then whatever but to constantly attack her character and family is just lame as well as setting a TERRIBLE precedent.



NOBS
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

User avatar

Joined: 19 Apr 2008
Age: 63
Gender: Male
Posts: 304
Location: Alaska

02 Sep 2009, 8:41 pm

Jacoby wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Public officials don't have a private life.

And I just thought the whole thing was interesting that such a person could achieve as much fame as she has. And as I said before, the whole thing is a Punch and Judy show. Right now, the media is "dishing it out" on her but that's just to keep her in the public eye and stay viable...which believe it or not, this kind of attention normally helps them out (see: claire333's response). It helped out George W. Bush in 1999/2000 that most people thought he was a moron and illiterate. This attention will only make her political presence stronger one way or another...and you can pretty much quote me on that (check back in 4 years).


I think you'd probably think differently if the media tried to tear down Malia and Sasha Obama every chance they get. If it doesn't relate to their job it doesn't matter.

I don't think you have to worry about Sarah Palin ever gaining national office either. Just leave the lady alone. If you have a problem with something she says or believes in then whatever but to constantly attack her character and family is just lame as well as setting a TERRIBLE precedent.


Unfortunately, you are unjustly tarring skafather84. The precedent was likely set loooooong before he was even a gleam in his father's eye.



Sand
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 15 Sep 2007
Age: 100
Gender: Male
Posts: 11,484
Location: Finland

03 Sep 2009, 12:16 am

NOBS wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Public officials don't have a private life.

And I just thought the whole thing was interesting that such a person could achieve as much fame as she has. And as I said before, the whole thing is a Punch and Judy show. Right now, the media is "dishing it out" on her but that's just to keep her in the public eye and stay viable...which believe it or not, this kind of attention normally helps them out (see: claire333's response). It helped out George W. Bush in 1999/2000 that most people thought he was a moron and illiterate. This attention will only make her political presence stronger one way or another...and you can pretty much quote me on that (check back in 4 years).


I think you'd probably think differently if the media tried to tear down Malia and Sasha Obama every chance they get. If it doesn't relate to their job it doesn't matter.

I don't think you have to worry about Sarah Palin ever gaining national office either. Just leave the lady alone. If you have a problem with something she says or believes in then whatever but to constantly attack her character and family is just lame as well as setting a TERRIBLE precedent.


Unfortunately, you are unjustly tarring skafather84. The precedent was likely set loooooong before he was even a gleam in his father's eye.


The problem is not Palin who no doubt has a great many personal and character problems and has to deal with them as she sees fit. The problem is the Republican Party that accepted her as a fit possible president if McCain succumbed to the many physiological difficulties he is undergoing. I doubt Palin could assume the character of Darth Vader as Cheney so easily slipped into but the prospect of an incompetent like Palin following an incompetent like Bush is truly chilling.