War is coming

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Pilger article on current events around Iran

Any thoughts?

Disaster.

Financially, the US can't afford all-out war with Iran and none of their allies can afford to back them even if they did. However, I don't think the US or Israel will allow Iran to have serviceable nuclear weapons, either, and I reckon the possibility of Iran gaining that ability is real if the rest of the world sit by and do nothing. I expect the diplomatic route will be persevered with longer than usual. If that's obviously failing perhaps some limited military strikes will help the Iranian rulers to see sense.

My own opinion is that I'm perfectly happy for the Yanks to do that. Personally, I'd also be happy if they were to take that action against any country developing nuclear weapons that doesn't already have them. In fact, perhaps if they and our spineless EU neighbours had taken such action against the likes of Pakistan, then we may currently feel less need to devote valuable resources to an inevitably-doomed mission in Afghanistan.

Yup. The Israelis will be given the honor of the first strike. That way if things go amiss the world can blame it on the Jews.

the Israeli strike against Iraq in 1981 assured the allies would not face radiological weapons in the first gulf war. The Jews saved our asses for which they got little thanks. I see a similar happening in Iran.

ruveyn

Thread title reply: It's coming? Did it ever go away?

Pilger: always good, mostly ignored.

I agree with Racooneyes, when did war go away? There are currently about 30 conflicts in the world today.. many are ignored by western media.

Glad you at least somewhat see that situation clearly. Not really much of an honor, though. At least, not in my opinion.

yeah, it was rhetorical.

my position would be complete, global disarmament. If not then, if (and it's a big if) Iran are developing nukes then I don't see how they are in anyway useful to them other than as a defensive weapon - not a first strike one. As the article says Iran attacking anyone else with a nuke would be suicide. The only application I can think of would be as a last ditch attempt to halt an invasion (say, a couple thousand US Marines crossing the border) á la Cold War europe. Back in the bad old days the USSR had a 2.5 to 1 advantage in tanks over NATO, the only way the West could halt an advance through Germany into France and the low countries would have been to drop tactical nuclear weapons on the main axes of advance - not much good to the Germans but hey, c'est la guerre (my flippancy is meant to be ironic there mind).

Obama's sounding exactly like Bush before he attacked Iraq. The way things are going, there IS going to be another war. The sad part is that there are plenty of people stupid enough to fall for the same lies in a different package.

What will also come with this is a draft. Iran is a much tougher nut to crack than Iraq or Afghanistan. That worries me, because 2 of my good friends are not "only sons".

That would require an armed entity to enforce. But if such an armed entity existed then there would not be global disarmament. Your proposal is D.O.A.

ruveyn

sorry, poorly written. I meant complete, global nuclear disarmament

The way I see it going down if it happens is the Israelis surgically bombing Iran's nuclear facilities and military targets. Iran and Hezbollah in Lebanon will respond by shooting some missiles off towards Israel and closing the Strait of Hormuz setting up a "justified" international response against Iran.

Plausible scenario. The Israeli attack on Iranian nuclear facilities will kill few people (the attack against the Iraqi nuke facility killed one person, one of the French technicians who helped to build it). The Israelis will be accused of "war crimes". The Iranian leadership will howl, rant and curse the Jews. Iranian Jews (there are a few) will be punished as Zionist spies. The U.S. will find a plausible reason for really savaging Iran and most of the Iranian deaths will be caused by U.S. attacks. But every one, including the Europeans will blame the Jews. Everybody blames the Jews. Even Paul the Apostle.

ruveyn

i should hope so, itll be a sad day when they pass a law to take our globes away!

They can have my nuke when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.

ruveyn