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Master_Pedant
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15 Dec 2009, 1:39 am

NOTE: If you can't bear to watch the totality of the three segments I posted, then just watch the end of clip four and start clip five and you'll see what I mean.

Alex Jones conducted a lengthy interview with Chomsky - nodding in agreement with the professor for much of it. Chomsky, to his fault, failed to point out how conspiratorial and mark-missing much of Jones remarks were. Near the end they disagree.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aygXdCsYO5s&feature=related[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwjK07gEpCM&feature=related[/youtube]

But good ol' Jones reciprocated. They remained civilly in disagreement, even when Chomsky left. There sure wasn't any backstabbing comments leveled after the guest left - none whatsoever.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0APTn1EPg9E&feature=related[/youtube]

Some time cheap shrills and 9/11 conspiracy theorists make me vomit.



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15 Dec 2009, 8:12 am

Don't worry, Alex. The aliens are going to make us their b***h soon.


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15 Dec 2009, 8:53 am

Alex Jones isn't crazy. Passionate? Yes. Crazy? No.

He was an average reporter who decided one day to challenge the "conspiracy nuts" he frequently heard about. He did his own research to traditional journalistic standards, and lo and behold, he discovered that the vast majority of what was out there (branded as conspiracy theory) was really happening. Yeah, there were a lot of nuts, but they were onto something, and if you invest the time to dig through all the data, you find out that there is a lot of truth to what is claimed to be going on.

He made it his personal mission in life to alert others to what is going on, and he's been branded a "nut case" for doing that. This is not surprising. A common tactic used to discredit people trying to present a message the establishment wants suppressed is to associate them with lunatics.

More so, many things Alex Jones can prove is frequently discredited by the mass media SELECTIVELY assaulting key claims which even Alex Jones says is not legitimate. So, if they want to say something about 9/11 and make Alex Jones look bad, they do a "hatchet job" which showcases claims which can easily be proven false, but they never address the claims which cannot be disproven. They do this even on claims that Alex Jones has declared a hoax or, at the very least, inaccurate. Since the majority of people have very short attention spans, they will pay attention to the "hatchet job" because it's short and easy to digest, but Alex Jones has to literally have HOURS of your time to detail all of the evidence he has documented, and most people simply are not focused enough to invest the time.

Alex Jones can back (and had backed) everything I've seen him produce with solid documentation...most all of it comes directly from "trusted" mass media sources who call him a nutcase. Truth isn't hidden in Al Capone's vault. With how much information floods over people every day, you can publish the truth on the back page of a major paper and people lose sight of it not even 24 hours after it's printed. To process and distill all of that information into something you can comprehend, you'd need to make it a full-time occupation, which is what Alex Jones does. The truth isn't classified as super tippy-top secret in the Pentagon, it's often printed in your daily paper, hidden in plain sight. Short attention spans and short memories have been the best tool for agenda setters to utilize to get their way with the vast majority of people.

I do feel Alex Jones is bombastic. Once he lets his passions get the better of him, he does come across as a raving lunatic, but every time I see the "mass media" give him a chance, he gets little choice but to be an aggressive bulldog. If he acts controlled and refined, he'll be cut off in mid-sentence before he makes half of his first point to the public. By being belligerent, he MIGHT get some points out before they move on to someone else. Simply watch the news. They bring a guest on to ask questions....they ask THEIR questions and hardly give the expert time to adequately address the issues the question brings up. The media not only has an agenda, but they want information dispensed in 10 second sound bites...which makes intelligent discussion about any issue almost impossible.

This is why Alex Jones has his own radio show, produces his own DVDs, etc....he knows he's not going to get serious fair coverage in the mainstream press, and the depth of what he has to present to someone willing to listen to him is too much to fit in even a half-hour presentation with him using the whole time.

As for why there aren't more people like Alex Jones out there? Simple. Passion. Just as some of us with AS are brilliant in given areas because it's a subject we hyper-focus on, this is Alex Jones' focus. He devotes intense amounts of time, energy and resources to investigate, document and publish. Ordinary journalists do not put that kind of energy into anything they work on. Special interest groups are about the closest thing you find, and they hire a team of people to promote the agenda they have.

I also suspect he acts the way he does as a defense mechanism. He's had a lot of crap dished at him by the establishment "powers that be" because he's not afraid to get in people's faces and expose what they are really up to. Lots of "troublemakers" can be made to disappear overnight even in America. Being open and notorious so that too many people will ask questions if something happens to you is the best protection you can have when going up against people with intense amounts of political clout.

Ironically, and used for illustration, I followed the articles of a man exposing the corruption in a Texas county court system. Last thing I heard, they found some BS reason to arrest him (he left a video store with a tape where the security device wasn't disabled first, but he had paid), and pretty much after that I never saw another article again. The cops wanted him dead. The court judges wanted him dead. The corruption in the county was fairly well-known, but after they found something to nail him on, his articles stopped. To this day, I don't know what happened. When you go up against a giant, you can't be nice about it because if what you do is enough to invoke its anger, it will try to crush you no matter how polite you were in your methods.



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15 Dec 2009, 4:02 pm

What zeronetgain said. Except, I'd say, is he crazy? Yes. Is he wrong? Overall, no. I don't see him doing anything particularly megalomaniacal, he's just making a living.

I like david icke better, he's more uplifting and britishy and acknowledging of the numinous levels of conspiracy.



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15 Dec 2009, 8:55 pm

Crazy? Yes, that is readily apparent. Wrong? Again, easily verified- he constantly makes claims that are blatantly false, or at the very least disingenuous. He is a master of taking comments out of context and reading anything he wants into them.

As for megalomaniacal? Yeah, I'd say he has a bit of a Messiah complex.


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15 Dec 2009, 9:12 pm

zer0netgain wrote:
Alex Jones isn't crazy. Passionate? Yes. Crazy? No.

He was an average reporter who decided one day ...


Great post, zer0netgain! I know very little about Alex Jones, but I do know others who are just like you describe him to be.

I saw Jesse Ventura for the first time a couple of days ago, and I am curious to see what he has to say next:

http://www.trutv.com/shows/conspiracy_theory/


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15 Dec 2009, 9:47 pm

BlueMage wrote:
What zeronetgain said. Except, I'd say, is he crazy? Yes. Is he wrong? Overall, no. I don't see him doing anything particularly megalomaniacal, he's just making a living.

I like david icke better, he's more uplifting and britishy and acknowledging of the numinous levels of conspiracy.


Perhaps pure cowardice would be a better word.

To invite someone onto your show, grovel and agree with much of what they say, disagree (politely) on a single issue, and then wait until after they leave to condemn (in virtuolic terms) that the person is a "NWO hack", "aquainted with Rockerfeller", and possessing "halve" the brains you do, is distasteful and sickening.

What a pathetic man, that Alex Jones.



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15 Dec 2009, 9:52 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
Perhaps pure cowardice would be a better word.

To invite someone onto your show, grovel and agree with much of what they say, disagree (politely) on a single issue, and then wait until after they leave to condemn (in virtuolic terms) that the person is a "NWO hack", "aquainted with Rockerfeller", and possessing "halve" the brains you do, is distasteful and sickening.

What a pathetic man, that Alex Jones.

According to Jones, pretty much everyone is an NWO shill, even if they only disagree with him on the slightest point. He also likes to accuse fellow conspiracy nuts of being plants- ie I believe he claims David Icke is a plant designed to make conspiracy nuts look crazy (as though they needed any help).


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15 Dec 2009, 9:59 pm

Giftorcurse wrote:
Don't worry, Alex. The aliens are going to make us their b***h soon.


He thinks its the "NWO bankers".

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15 Dec 2009, 10:43 pm

Alex Jones is a nut, that's pretty much all there is to it. With his rhetorical prowess, he has attracted the lunatic fringe to his radio show; the same people who are laughed at as they speak of shape-shifting aliens who inhabit the physical forms of all of our leaders. There is no need to elaborate: He is crazy if he believes the things that he spouts. You can take it further than that and show all his hypocrisies, half-truths and lies, but you're just an NWO disinfo agent!


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RUN FROM THE CHEMTRAILS EVERYONE! :lol: :roll:

In all seriousness though: That's gonna be you if you listen to Alex Jones; that's the type of stupidity he lets out and promulgates.



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16 Dec 2009, 6:07 am

Alex Jones needs to stop being such a "rebel" and put some work in for the "team."



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17 Dec 2009, 10:08 am

guy has a bit of an ego, but i think he's basically a good guy who's got out a lot of good info. the reason why he isn't silenced imo is because people see him as "crazy", so he's not really a threat to the agenda.



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19 Dec 2009, 6:05 am

I don't think he is crazy exactly, and may even be saying the things he says because he knows they have an audience. I certainly don't think his theories have any merit. The evidence of 9/11 as an inside job seems very circumstantial to me, and just plain violates common sense.



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19 Dec 2009, 9:37 am

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The evidence of 9/11 as an inside job seems very circumstantial to me, and just plain violates common sense.


We might want "common sense" to suggest 9-11 could not have been any kind of "inside job", but the "circumstantial evidence" is far too great to be sanely ignored. As with Kennedy's assasination, most of us will likely never know what actually happened.


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19 Dec 2009, 4:16 pm

Sometimes I wonder if he is working for the opposed opposition. I doubt it though. He has some ideas that would cause a psychiatrist to be concerned about. But, if it is all true, which I suspect it is, then there is great cause for concern. I wouldn't shout things over the bull horn like that. People believe what they want to believe. Making yourself sound too enthusiastic or paranoid will only detract from your statements.

For example, if I were to say..."You gotta read this book called The Imprinted Brain. It is the most awesome theory on autism! I can't even read it without getting so excited, that's how major it is."

Doesn't that just make you not want to read the book?


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19 Dec 2009, 5:26 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
Is Alex Jones a megalomaniac?

From what I've heard of him, he might have a few issues going on.


Might have?


Might?


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