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Indian beleive in spiritual deraming. One dream is a paddock. There were men in the paddock. One man was behind a sheep. I got on a bus and was looking out of a window at him. I thought it was gross but no one who was looking seem to think that. Another story I held a melting star in my hand while I was sitting on a bus. The first time I seen stars was outside a garage of a two story house on some grass. There was people outside panicking. Then I think there was some kind of car accident.

Im Cherokee and Perhaps no Cherokee legend has been more enduring than the belief in the Yunwi Tsunsdi’, the Little People.. About knee high to an adult, they were well shaped and handsome, with long hair, which reaches the ground. Considered to be wonder workers, like the Nunne’hi, they spent half their time drumming and dancing. Helpful and kind hearted; they were especially helpful to children, and frequently helped adults, unseen at night, at such things as gathering corn. Usually associated with a certain place or community, if they were offended, they would leave the place, never to be seen again!

So the OP is not tripping on something?

People with such dreams are prophetic. There is much wisdom to be gleaned by people with an imaginative subconscious.

Correct people with such a gift can predict things that will happen that havent happened yet

Dot or feather?

First of all, the Indigenous Peoples of the Americas were extremely diverse: They encompassed everything from the vast and highly advanced Inka Empire of the Andes to the sea-dependent Tlingit of the Pacific Northwest Coast. Grouping these 2 groups together is illogical and barely genetically valid at most.

Finally, I am part, a very small part, Cherokee and I know that the Cherokee were monotheists while the Mexica were polytheists and the Haudenosaunee were panetheists; this is just a small example of the complex systems of beliefs that existed across the Americas before the European invasions.

You're all wrong. Dreams are what the conscious mind remembers of the unconscious mind's attempts at trying to make sense out of the conscious mind's experiences in the material world. There is no valid material evidence to support any claims of prophesy, prediction, prognostication, or any other form of future-telling.

Only this, and nothing more.

But they used every part of the buffalo, right? RIGHT?

Exactly correct.

BS

Not for your benefit, Fnord, because you have already disputed the validity of it as have others. And, I apologize because I provided the wrong link from Wiki on Project Stargate from Utt's review into the research on Project Stargate into anamalous cognition (pre-cognition of phenomenon in the future), in a couple of previous threads you were involved in, in support of the phenomenon. I will provide the corrected link in this thread.

Only this, and nothing more, seems a bit rigid in consideration that recent research done by Bem, a well known, reputable professional in the field of psychology, that suggests there is a greater than statistical chance that pre-cognition is a real phenomenon that can be demonstrated using the scientific method, and further research is being done at this time to replicate that research.

Here are the links to the research and quotes again that supports that there is at least some credibility to claims of anamalous precognition, for others to review, if they like:

Anamalous cognition has been researched and suggested to be a phenomenon that can be reliably demonstrated by Utt's independent review of the research done by Project Stargate, the government program that existed for about 20 years in the
US.

http://anson.ucdavis.edu/~utts/air2.html




Recent research that used a psychologically stimulating medium of photographs with erotic images, showed a statistical correlation beyond chance in a subject's ability to predict photographs with erotically stimulating images, providing evidence that phenomenon of pre-cognition a type of anamalous cognition can be reliably demonstrated.

http://caps.ucsf.edu/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/bem2011.pdf




No one knows why anamalous cognition happens, but it is evident that other factors are involved, besides a persons ability to do it on demand in any circumstance.

Normally when enough people experience a phenomenon, there is an element of truth somewhere; while it is not miraculous results, there is some reputable evidence provided, to date, that suggests there is something to pre-cognition, other than chance.

I've personally experienced stuff with dreams that are odd, that fit within the realm of what I think could be logically determined as coincidence, however I have known others, personally, and personally witnessed accounts of their dreams related to pre-cognition, that defy any explanation of coincidence.

I don't think it is an on demand phenomenon for most people that experience it, so it is not surprising to me that it is has taken as long as it has to find stimulating factors that influence the phenomenon, in a scientific demonstration of it, with subjects from the general population.

It is more likely that the military gave such an inconclusive report so as not embarrass themselves over having become involved with woo-woo activities, and to avoid the wrath of the Proxmire Legacy and risk a full investigation into such wasteful spending practices.

I'm still waiting for someone to correctly guess "What's In The Box" and win the prize ... I've been waiting over 20 years for that, and heard every possible excuse as to why someone's "totally accurate" psychic powers should fail only when their reliability can be directly checked and verified.

Why is it that psychic abilities seem to work only when the results can not be verified?

Because the transmitter has to be strong enough. Your one weak little signal is not enough to be picked up by anyone. Precognition usually shows it's face right before an event of magnitude that affects many people, but most people aren't aware of it and it's lost in the background static. The mind is a very noisy place. Learning how not to think is actually quite a difficult process, but if you try it sometime, you'll start to become aware of all kinds of things. The first thing you'll notice is your heartbeat in a way you don't pay attention to normally. I'm just using that as an example, because what I'm getting at is your mind is a receptor/transmitter, it can pick up on things if you cut the noise down enough.

Ahh ... so now it's my fault, is it?

Bullsnot. Try again.

If a psychic can determine the thoughts of a dead person - whose "transmitter" is literally dead - then a psychic should be able to receive from a living transmitter much more easily.

Precognition? Cause must precede effect, so knowing future events is impossible.

Telepathy? No known mechanism is responsible for any alleged telepathic communication.

Spirit Guides? Dead spirit guides? Imaginary. Purely imaginary.

I abjure your lies, ducarin.

I've been an observer more than a participant.

What I've noticed in others, in my past is that in most cases the pre-cognition was related to extreme life events, like a death in the family, problems in a relationship, finding new love, purchasing a first home, landing a new job, etc. The pre-cognition that I observed, was at times evidenced before the extreme life event. The similarity in individuals that showed this ability was one of extreme affective empathy for others.

From what we know on a scientific basis on human behavior at this point, there are some who experience extreme affective empathy to the point they feel the actual sensations observed that others experience. A connection has been identified in areas of the brain thought to be involved with this type of extreme affective empathy; these people appear to be different, neurologically, than some others.

There is no research that has studied the relationship of this with anamalous pre-cognition, but I personally suspect that a link might be found here, if these individuals were studied in this type of research that Bem has iniated, with psychologically stimulating variables.

The aha moment for me were these psychologically stimulating variables used in Bem's research; the effect is not tremendously strong, but one does not often have the opportunity to find a group of people that are about to undergo events in their life that are much more intense than an erotic photograph, in changing the awareness of one's environment.

And those identified to have a propensity in experiencing the phenomenon were not used in the initial study, as they were in the government studies.

I've seen no evidence that I've observed in my personal life that suggests that it is an on demand phenomenon that can be replicated in a neutral psychological environment. I personaly doubt anyone will ever guess what is in the box, asked on demand, unless one had a close relative or friend of theirs missing, inside the box.

Although if one were to put erotic images in the box vs. non-erotic images in the box, they might find a higher statistical relationship than normal in a group study with those predicting which type of picture was inside the box.

A great deal of research has refuted psychic phenomenon, the thing I see that is different in the research by the government is they sought out individuals that were identified as to already have a propensity for the abilities.

The evidence produced by government research in their experiments to validate the project while ongoing for 20 years, did not meet a level to validate remote viewing, but presented enough evidence for one reviewer to come to the conclusion, that statistically speaking the general phenomenon could be reliably demonstrated.

That individual is a reputable individual, her credentials have not been disputed, although the results have been questioned, and were not as clearly identified in the final review as they were in her report.

As far as I know the statistical methods she used to evaluate the research that was done are sound and have not been refuted. On the other hand, some have questioned the general statistical methods used by the entire psychological profession, over Bem's results.

The affective empathy brings up another point that I have wondered about, and may possibly provide at least another view about your recent thoughts related to diagnosis.

The widely accepted view of Autistic people up to this point and time has been that they lack cognitive as well as affective empathy. This view was shared by researcher Samuel Cohen Baron, until recently with Aspergers. He has reversed his view recently in suggesting those with Aspergers do have affective empathy, and other recent research suggest that some have very strong affective empathy. What they are still suggested to lack is cognitive empathy.

Intense affective empathy has been related in the past in research to schizotypal beliefs, woo woo beliefs as you allude to. I was surprised to see the number of individuals on this site to test high on schizotypal traits, on surveys of individuals that took a test to measure those traits, as well as how many personified objects in the environment on threads on that subject, another phenomenon related to high levels of affective empathy. This in itself suggested to me that some individuals with Aspergers do have high levels of affective empathy. Recent research suggests it as well.

I was additionally surprised at how many here do agree with what is considered psychic type activity, however a greater than normal percentage seem to disagree with structured religious activities, as evidenced by the recent research presented in the PPR forum.

Psychic type phemenon is considered taboo among some western traditional religions so the reasons one might not support structured religious activities, could be one of issues related to non-acceptance along with logical analysis of those religions. While beliefs in psychic phenomenon held by those with Aspergers may not be associated with religous beliefs at all.

A logical mind mixed with strong affective empathy is an interesting mix. If strong affective empathy is associated with the actual phenomenon of what is considered psychic phenomenon, it is no wonder a logical mind would recognize those events when observed or personally experienced.

In general males are suggested to have lower levels of affective empathy than females. There is a great deal of talk here about gender neutrality among people with Aspergers, so this could play a part in affective empathy, schizotypal traits, personification of objects in the environment, and the experience and belief in psychic phenomenon.

All that said, from everything I know from a factual basis and from what I have observed on a personal basis; I understand pre-cognition, to be a real phenomenon that can be reliably demonstrated depending on environmental circumstances and participants

As to why a human or other animals would posess this quality, and what advantage there would be from it for survival, in life altering events, that seems obvious to me; a potential positive behavioral change that might enhance survival.

As to how one can defy the constraints of what we understand as the present with the experience of pre-cognition? As humans, with our current understanding of the laws of physics, we may not fully understand what the "present" fully entails, and the human biological mechanisms that allow us to perceive it, may vary from individual to individual.