Forgiveness or an apology?

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In the story of jesus' life in the bible, he is an animal-sacrifice to forgive our sins.

But sin was created by the person who forgives it.



If you sentence someone to jailtime, but then let them off while giving something valuable to them, is that you forgiving them or you apologising for wrongly imposing something on them?

Last edited by TheOddGoat on 15 Feb 2010, 5:00 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Just because you forgive someone doesn't mean they deserve to be forgiven.

Maybe I am finally beginning to understand some of the foolishness here on PPR is actually intentional ... as driven by boredom or something?

Perhaps a combination of boredom, insomnia, insecurity, a desire to be heard, a desire to get a reaction out of others, and parakeets.

Ah, yes ...

Lemme hear a big chirp!

But seriously ...

Is it not insane to mock the One who created us?

Yes it is insane, and even more so if they consciously acknowledged God, but they fill their minds with every philosophical excuse possible so as to attempt to drive Him from their minds.

I find it sadly-interesting that Santa Claus is never mocked ... as if people really do know he is *not* real.

More to the point, they don't normally attack Hindu gods, Allah, or the Easter Bunny (usually)....

However, they do use the excuse of "this is the most common form of religion, so..." but this is the internet, not the Bible Belt, the most common ideology online, at least the most vocal and verbally abusive to heretics, is not Christianity, but rather Atheism.

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Satan_Claus

Of course, the reality about you seeing atheists attack only the christian god is merely an artifact of you living in a christian environment. If you lived in India and dealt with India's atheists in forums you'll see that they don't bother that much with the Christian god. Of course there are atheists that are focused on the Hindu gods: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism_in_Hinduism ...

There's the fact that the christian God is a very easy target. "Hey look I am a god of war but I love you!, "I died to save you from sin but if you masturbate you'll go to heck. " , etc ,etc ,etc. On the other hand, the only effect Santa has is making people keep commerce going by giving gifts to their children, he also helps the children develop some critical thinking. And Hindu gods are at least consistent...

Considering He is rated as all powerful and all seeing and His demonstrated helplessness in even modulating, not to speak of eliminating the immense brutality and stupidity and general confusion in the world it would be insane not to mock Him.

I kind of really bet this matter is more because most people here are more exposed to Christianity. I mean, saying it is "the internet" doesn't change the general fact that internet issues have a lot of regional focus. I mean, American politics is talked about a *LOT* more often than the politics of other regions. Heck, you could also recognize that we have more outspoken conservative Christians on here than any other religious group, except for maybe atheism if you want to label it that.

If the other religions were more in the background, we would have more reason to talk about them, and if more people were more exposed to these religions, then we'd have more to say.

In any case, it must be recognized that this isn't just a matter of "excuse". A major issue that you propound is creationism, but the problem is that all of our major scientific authorities reject the idea, which basically means that laymen are going to find this credible. Finding evolution credible does undermine the notion of God's existence. Now, you might say "but.... but... the design arguments!!" but honestly nobody finds anything like that credible with a supposed empirical refutation.

To go even further, the entirety of the world doesn't work. Now, you can just say "this is just Adam's sin!" but the question that pops into everyone else's mind is "why did God create a world where he knew that evil, all of this evil, would happen?". They think "wouldn't a good God create the best world that he could? I can imagine a world better than this one!" Can you blame them? We've seen Holocausts, we've seen massive natural disasters, we've seen Wal-marts, we've seen religious crusades, etc.

And of course, within Christian doctrine we have a number of absurdities, such as a God who demands his son as a sacrifice(if one holds to penal substitution or similar), a God who threatens all manner of torments, and eternal suffering, etc. I mean, you can attempt to smooth away some of these issues, but certainly not all of them. I think most people would find their moral intuitions disagree, perhaps even sharply, with the religious teachings.

Finally, what is going to be the evidence? I mean, scripture is not considered infallible by most scholars on scripture, but rather it contains things that would be considered errors in any other text. And scripture is the only document that points to Christian historical claims. The problem is also that many of these historical claims are incredible and outside of what most people have experienced, and yet the only evidence is a fallible text. I think most people would rationally reject this just as they reject Hindu miracles and what not as well.

I said nothing about any alleged "christian god".

I spoke of the One who created us ... and He and Allah just happen to be the same, 'keet!

And here I thought it was Zeus.

Well I was replying to the other guy. Anyway, once you say that the christian god is the same as Allah and other creators, you are driving outside christianity.

You said talking about Jesus was "mocking the one who created us".



Plus, christianity is the only religion that steals my money and the only one I have learned about in any detail.

Noone is talking about my OP

Here's some more content to fuel talking about it:


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKgDDglSq2s[/youtube]

Doesn't it seem more like a reluctant reluctant apology from a schoolchild bully?

Oops.



I had not said anything at all about "the christian god".



No, I did not.



That happens to be *all* I am talking about. It mocks.