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03 Feb 2010, 12:57 pm

If NT's are social butterflies, why do quite a few of them steal in the stores? Why does a minority of them rape and kill when they are as social as they are?



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03 Feb 2010, 1:26 pm

We aren't all social butterflies. I am a lot more introverted than my girlfriend's aspie son. But I can "fake it" when the situation calls.



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03 Feb 2010, 1:36 pm

Where did you get the idea that criminals aren't social???? They don't play by society's rules but they definately play by each other's. Criminal gangs are social groups. Haven't you ever heard the phrase "hanging out with the wrong crowd"???? It takes sociability to hang out with a crowd.



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03 Feb 2010, 1:47 pm

bdhkhsfgk wrote:
If NT's are social butterflies, why do quite a few of them steal in the stores?


Why do people shoplift? Some do it for the thrill of breaking the law(usually when they're teens), some do it because they dont have the money to buy the things they need and want and so they go for the 5-finger discount.


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Why does a minority of them rape and kill when they are as social as they are?


Where did you get the dumb idea that social people are somehow less violent and predatory than antisocial people??? :x
Also, what makes you think that its a minority of them who are responsible for violent crime............Got any stats to back this up?



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03 Feb 2010, 1:55 pm

MEATGRINDER wrote:
bdhkhsfgk wrote:
If NT's are social butterflies, why do quite a few of them steal in the stores?


Why do people shoplift? Some do it for the thrill of breaking the law(usually when they're teens), some do it because they dont have the money to buy the things they need and want and so they go for the 5-finger discount.

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Yes. And some do it for the arguably social reason of impressing their friends with how tough and badass they are.



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14 Feb 2010, 8:04 am

bdhkhsfgk wrote:
If NT's are social butterflies, why do quite a few of them steal in the stores? Why does a minority of them rape and kill when they are as social as they are?

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thugs are disocial [a subset of antisocial personality disorder], iow they stick to their own society 'cept when their robbin' and rapin' and killin' people. they socialize with one another. think of crime families - criminal organizations [gangs, powerful political families who know who they are]. sad to say, there are even aspie thugs out there [or at least thugs with aspie traits].
when i was young [single digits] i was a thug. i stole and beat other kids up. i paid for it. i will pay for it further in purgatory.



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14 Feb 2010, 9:58 pm

MEATGRINDER wrote:

Where did you get the dumb idea that social people are somehow less violent and predatory than antisocial people??? :x


From tautology - antisocial, by definition, refers to behaviours similar to those of a psychopathic or violent individual.



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14 Feb 2010, 10:14 pm

bdhkhsfgk wrote:
If NT's are social butterflies, why do quite a few of them steal in the stores? Why does a minority of them rape and kill when they are as social as they are?


Same reason aspergers always end up on the news after shooting up public places and turning the gun on themselves.

Had to be said.



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14 Feb 2010, 10:32 pm

Most people do that stupid crap for social reasons among others.

I remember being with a group of friends who were like that, always trying to impress each other with their stupidity by stealing cans of beer and items that weren't worth much.


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15 Feb 2010, 4:35 am

MissConstrue wrote:
Most people do that stupid crap for social reasons among others.

I remember being with a group of friends who were like that, always trying to impress each other with their stupidity by stealing cans of beer and items that weren't worth much.


I had a group of friends who were always trying to impress eachother by recycling found cans and bottles. :)


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15 Feb 2010, 10:09 am

PLA wrote:
MissConstrue wrote:
Most people do that stupid crap for social reasons among others.

I remember being with a group of friends who were like that, always trying to impress each other with their stupidity by stealing cans of beer and items that weren't worth much.


I had a group of friends who were always trying to impress eachother by recycling found cans and bottles. :)


Were they aspies?


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15 Feb 2010, 11:31 am

MissConstrue wrote:
PLA wrote:
MissConstrue wrote:
Most people do that stupid crap for social reasons among others.

I remember being with a group of friends who were like that, always trying to impress each other with their stupidity by stealing cans of beer and items that weren't worth much.


I had a group of friends who were always trying to impress eachother by recycling found cans and bottles. :)


Were they aspies?

Not sure. They were studious, oddly athletic nerds-with-glasses who talked about cars and mopeds nearly every day.
One of them had an absolute aversion to certain foods, which might be a sign. He felt uneasy just knowing that there was cheese nearby.


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17 Feb 2010, 1:26 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
MEATGRINDER wrote:

Where did you get the dumb idea that social people are somehow less violent and predatory than antisocial people??? :x


From tautology - antisocial, by definition, refers to behaviours similar to those of a psychopathic or violent individual.


Words have many meanings. What definition are you referring to? I assume, by social, you mean "advocating the success of human interaction in the structure of society as exists today, and furthermore, the success of that structure itself."--- in which case, violence and psychopathy are indeed examples of antisocial behavior in many cases.

But antisocial tendencies won't usually lead a person to such extremes, nor are they crimes committed only by those who are typically antisocial. Your topic is based on false presumtions

Also- the word "social," when used referring to autistics, has more to do with aptitude in social situations than general life philosophy or anything intentional.