Christ died for gods horrible sins

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in the old testament.

I mean, that makes a heck of a lot more sense, doesnt it?

The really bad crimes were all his ideas. And he had to remake himself into the kind god that Christians believe in.

Or maybe I am wrong. But that means hes still the same bastard he was?

I donno. I donno. Maybe its better that there is no god, because there is just no rectifying what Jews and Christians believe.

supreme being creates all of reality.
supreme being populates reality.
supreme being curses beings he populated reality with.
supreme being impregnates one of the beings he populated reality with.
that being gives birth to the supreme being that impregnated her.
supreme being travels around as a crazy hobo spouting prophecy and gathering followers (who are also beings he created).
supreme being gets ganked by "the man." (still wants you to pay your taxes, though.)
supreme being admits he set himself up to get ganked to pay the price that the cursed people owe for being cursed.
supreme being dies a tortured death.
supreme being reveals that he's not really dead.
supreme being takes off, never to be seen again.
beings he populated reality with still cursed.


WHAT A DICK.
pardon my plain english.



seriously, though. how are people who believe this story not pissed at this guy? that's so messed up. that's more messed up than frying ants with lightning bolts. dude should have stuck with party tricks. he could have thrown some sweet kickbacks. don't you wish you had a friend who could treat a backyard pool like a dance floor, then turn the whole thing into wine? feed the whole party even though i only paid for 2 fish? raise me from the dead when i drink too much of the pool-wine and succumb to alcohol poisoning or just drown?


...sometimes i wonder if, during the second coming, jesus will bust out a better party trick..... like turning crabgrass into cannabis....

*edited in sin*

Made me laugh.

Haha! That was brilliant.

And its exactly what I mean. Why would anyone want to venerate such.......<shakes his head>.

The point is to control people, have them worried that they're never good enough so that they have to be tied to the church for life. The content of the story is really beside the point. Also, the story's content has changed over the centuries-in the original Christianity, life sucked and people couldn't wait to get to the afterlife, and a birthday was not joyous but your DEATH day was happy because "you were born from toil to rest". Virtually NOBODY practices Christianity as practiced by the early Byzantines, not even the JWs. There may be a person here or there who read about the original practice of Christianity online and decided to practice it themselves, but that's about it.

The big reason that people were drawn to Christianity in the first place is because Rome was failing and people were grabbing at straws to try and save it, and all religions had been discredited, and the Christian priests came along and said "hey, if you pray to Jesus and ask to be delivered from this royal screwing you've done to yourselves, he'll grant your wish!" so people said, well why not? By the time the Romans realized they'd been had, it was too late, and the Church replaced the failed Roman state, and the Church was one hell of a dictator, and simply crushed all opposition a la Stalin, and rewrote the history books. The Church enforced itself through sheer force of arms.

Did you know that the Church banished literacy from Europe because they didn't want anybody to read the Bible and prove them wrong? For a thousand years nobody could read, even the monks, even the kings, and many of the priests themselves couldn't read. Literacy was reserved for the highest initiates in the Church, in a system that resembles the fraternity of scientists in Asimov's Foundation novels that preserve technology after the galactic civilization collapses.

But yeah, the story doesn't make sense, but all people know, then and now, is that they HAVE TO do whatever the preacher says or risk eternal punishment, or in a mirror image, they do what the preacher says to get all the goodies.

Jesus of Nazareth died on the cross because that's what tends to happen when you nail a person to a big piece of wood and leave him there

unless someone is able to get you down in time and you aren't bleeding to death...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boZUB-0kemI[/youtube]

in december 2012 i plan on making a day of laughing at christians that dont get raptured. lol

Why? What does a Mayan change of calendar have to do with the Revelation of St. John the Divine (where this whole "Rapture" thing comes from)?

After all, according to the Gospels, when Jesus' followers tried to pin Him down on when He'd return and bring the Kingdom of Heaven to Earth, He was rather evasive (comparing Himself to a thief, who isn't going to announce what time he'll rob a house and thus let the homeowner prepare at the last minute - similarly, He wasn't going to give advance notice, and let people wait around to repent until the week previous...).

just find it funny they have been fed lies all their life

Oh, come on now. What is it you believe Jews and Christians believe that cannot be set right?

I have yet to ever anywhere find a false belief that cannot be corrected!

Does that testify to the correctability of misinformation or your lack of perception?

Ability to correct would be the intended meaning, Sand.

I fully understand the intent but was pointing out a viable alternate possibility.

I can't help myself.... Please forgive me... ...that kinda proves sand's point.
...though I like the optimism that believers of false gods can be saved by rational thought. Like moulder, I want to believe (in the power of rational thought over irrational belief).