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Was Bush a good president?
He was absolutely great 4%  4%  [ 3 ]
He was good 8%  8%  [ 7 ]
He was average 6%  6%  [ 5 ]
He was bad 18%  18%  [ 15 ]
He was absolutely terrible 65%  65%  [ 55 ]
Total votes : 85

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27 Apr 2010, 10:59 pm

Bush has been out of office for about a year and a half now. Looking back, do you think he was a good president or a bad one?


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28 Apr 2010, 2:33 am

No, still bad. Obama is basically a continuation and expansion of the Bush policies.



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28 Apr 2010, 4:34 am

Bush was a terrible president, that goes without saying. But what does it say about my fellow Americans who elected that village idiot twice? I had lived in growing fear for that terrible eight year period, seeing intellectuals and artists labeled and derided as elitists, while the country seemed to enjoy wallowing in mediocrity, bigotry, and out and out stupidity, all in the name of "populism," and traditional values (meaning, God hates Gays). They never seemed to scream and holler that much as the insurance companies and Wall Street tycoons left the middle class a devastated thing of the past. When Obama was elected, I thought my anxiety level could go down. But lo and behold, the ghost of idiocy past was alive and kicking in the form of the tea baggers, and the insurance companies, and right-wing political hacks backing them. No, I don't think Obama is perfect - I never thought he was anything close to being a Messiah. But neither is he a communist - socialist - Nazi - Muslim terrorist - Anti-Christ, determined to destroy America.
My anxiety level is flying high these days whenever I flip on the news, and see those "populist" cretins with their racist anti-Obama signs, and threatening violence.

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28 Apr 2010, 4:34 am

Bush was a terrible president, that goes without saying. But what does it say about my fellow Americans who elected that village idiot twice? I had lived in growing fear for that terrible eight year period, seeing intellectuals and artists labeled and derided as elitists, while the country seemed to enjoy wallowing in mediocrity, bigotry, and out and out stupidity, all in the name of "populism," and traditional values (meaning, God hates Gays). They never seemed to scream and holler that much as the insurance companies and Wall Street tycoons left the middle class a devastated thing of the past. When Obama was elected, I thought my anxiety level could go down. But lo and behold, the ghost of idiocy past was alive and kicking in the form of the tea baggers, and the insurance companies, and right-wing political hacks backing them. No, I don't think Obama is perfect - I never thought he was anything close to being a Messiah. But neither is he a communist - socialist - Nazi - Muslim terrorist - Anti-Christ, determined to destroy America.
My anxiety level is flying high these days whenever I flip on the news, and see those "populist" cretins with their racist anti-Obama signs, and threatening violence.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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28 Apr 2010, 5:20 am

I'm sorry, i have no idea how my post got replicated. The powers that be of Wrong Planet have my permission to delete one of them.

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28 Apr 2010, 6:21 am

he was no worse than president palin will be.
oh, the horror :twisted:



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28 Apr 2010, 6:25 am

He got us into an unnecessary war, and then he and his buddies arranged to fight it badly. I cannot forgive that. But Dubya was far from the worst president. Jimmy Carter was much worse. He made the U.S. the laughing stock of the world. Lyndon Johnson was much worse than Dubya. The way he and his buddy Robert S. MacNamarra handled the Viet Nam war will go down in history as a travesty. Lyndon Johnson crucified this nation on a cross of guns and butter. He destroyed the U.S. economy and we still have not recovered. And then there was Richard Nixon. He was far worse than Dubya. Nixon had the gall to believe he was the elected King of America. Nixon's apparent motto was: I can do anything I wish, because I am President.

America's best president in the 20 th century was Calvin Coolidge.

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28 Apr 2010, 6:27 am

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He got us into an unnecessary war, and then he and his buddies arranged to fight it badly. I cannot forgive that. But Dubya was far from the worst president. Jimmy Carter was much worse. He made the U.S. the laughing stock of the world. Lyndon Johnson was much worse than Dubya. The way he and his buddy Robert S. MacNamarra handled the Viet Nam war will go down in history as a travesty. Lyndon Johnson crucified this nation on a cross of guns and butter. He destroyed the U.S. economy and we still have not recovered. And then there was Richard Nixon. He was far worse than Dubya. Nixon had the gall to believe he was the elected King of America. Nixon's apparent motto was: I can do anything I wish, because I am President.

America's best president in the 20 th century was Calvin Coolidge.

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Perhaps because when Coolidge died the classic comment was "How could they tell?"



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28 Apr 2010, 6:31 am

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Perhaps because when Coolidge died the classic comment was "How could they tell?"


He acted within the bounds of the Constitution. For that I praise him. Coolidge never believed he was the Elected King of American nor did he believe he was its savior.

The constitutional function is to be commander in chief of the armed forces and to execute the will of Congress, which makes the laws. How many Executive Orders did Coolidge write?

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28 Apr 2010, 7:01 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Bush was a terrible president, that goes without saying. But what does it say about my fellow Americans who elected that village idiot twice?


I could go on about elections and conspiracy theories, but the Democrats were HANDED the White House in 2004, and they picked two ultra liberals for the ticket. They were so offensive to conservatives that there was little choice but for the conservative voter to re-elect G.W. Bush.

A cardinal rule in politics is not to upset the supporters of your opponent. The conservatives were angry with Bush and would easily have considered a moderate on the Democratic ticket. Why, WHY?, WHY! did the Democrats pick a pair so repulsive to the opposing side that it would only ensure people would flock in support of their opponent? It is contrary to standard electoral procedure...unless, perhaps, they (the people who really pull the strings in elections) wanted G.W. to stay in office?



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28 Apr 2010, 7:21 am

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but the Democrats were HANDED the White House in 2004, and they picked two ultra liberals

You mean, John-I-have-a-slightly-non-conservative-record Kerry and Joe Lieberman who regularly campaigns for the most conservative Republicans and only votes with Democrats because of heavy bribery?

Bush was a disaster - 1 botched war, 1 unnecessary war, Katrina, spitting all over our Constitution, making torture legitimate policy, putting fundamentalist psychos in political power, making it so that if you object to being wire-tapped and denied your basic Consitutional rights is seen as unpatriotic and the list goes on and on and on... And now we have the supposedly socialist-communist-ultra-liberal Obama who's doing the exact same thing *sigh*



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28 Apr 2010, 8:13 am

ruveyn wrote:
Sand wrote:

Perhaps because when Coolidge died the classic comment was "How could they tell?"


He acted within the bounds of the Constitution. For that I praise him. Coolidge never believed he was the Elected King of American nor did he believe he was its savior.

The constitutional function is to be commander in chief of the armed forces and to execute the will of Congress, which makes the laws. How many Executive Orders did Coolidge write?

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I looked over Coolidge's record and I have to agree he seemed a decent guy for the times. The comment on his death by Dorothy Parker does seem smartass. Unfortunately, as illustrated by the current financial debacle the reduction of government to ineffective size, which was Coolidge's policy, only frees the vandalistic powers of big business to do terrible things to the country. You and many of the conservative Republicans confuse big government with bad government. I am fully aware that you consider any government bad government and am not going to try to convince you otherwise.



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28 Apr 2010, 8:54 am

ruveyn wrote:
He got us into an unnecessary war, and then he and his buddies arranged to fight it badly. I cannot forgive that. But Dubya was far from the worst president. Jimmy Carter was much worse. He made the U.S. the laughing stock of the world. Lyndon Johnson was much worse than Dubya. The way he and his buddy Robert S. MacNamarra handled the Viet Nam war will go down in history as a travesty. Lyndon Johnson crucified this nation on a cross of guns and butter. He destroyed the U.S. economy and we still have not recovered. And then there was Richard Nixon. He was far worse than Dubya. Nixon had the gall to believe he was the elected King of America. Nixon's apparent motto was: I can do anything I wish, because I am President.

Carter made us a laughing stock, but Bush didn't? Russian President Medvedev has all but said in interviews that he likes Obama because he's not ret*d like his predecessor. LBJ, yeah, his handling of Vietnam was a disgrace. I don't really get why everyone is so down on Nixon, though. His worst offense was trying to gain an edge in his reelection campaign? Come on now, that still leaves him much better than Bush.


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28 Apr 2010, 8:57 am

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but the Democrats were HANDED the White House in 2004, and they picked two ultra liberals

You mean, John-I-have-a-slightly-non-conservative-record Kerry and Joe Lieberman who regularly campaigns for the most conservative Republicans and only votes with Democrats because of heavy bribery?

Kerry's running mate was John Edwards, who is quite liberal. Edwards was the favored candidate among the progressive/leftist wing of the Democrats in the 2008 primary before everyone jumped on the Obama bandwagon. I agree that I don't really see how Kerry was that liberal. In 2004 he was talking about wanting to escalate the troop commitment in Iraq, while a liberal would have been in favor of ending the war.


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28 Apr 2010, 9:01 am

2 words: BEST. PRESIDENT. EVER.



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28 Apr 2010, 9:22 am

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Kerry's running mate was John Edwards, who is quite liberal

I apparently got my elections confused >.<
Though 2004 wasn't so much that the candidates were too "liberal" there are actually very few real liberals in the Democratic party left - most are center-left to center right. Kerry just ran a pathetically bad campaign, failed to call Bush on any of massive screw ups, fell into the right-wing baiting on his Vietnam record when he should have been focusing on issues.