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20 May 2010, 12:37 pm

Please direct all molotovs to BP corporate offices.

http://www.wwl.com/IT-S-HERE--Oil--oil- ... re/7107661

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20 May 2010, 2:48 pm

Hmmm, molotovs made with oil... How deliciously ironic. ~.~

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20 May 2010, 2:50 pm

BP better pay for everything. Clean up, costs, marshlands, everything!

I've changed my mind about off-shore drilling. This cannot happen in California. It's not worth $2 per gallon gas. Something like this would destroy the ecosystem. I feel really bad for people living around the gulf.

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20 May 2010, 2:56 pm

This is all just a part of the process, so we shouldn't worry.

http://fakescience.tumblr.com/post/5764 ... we-get-oil

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20 May 2010, 2:56 pm

The past shows us that environnemental criminals aren't exactly punished in the USA. One need only read about Exxon's story. <.< At the end of their trial, they had to pay what... 10 million dollars? Regardless, it was such a small amount compared to the damage they had done. They get more money than that per day. <.<

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20 May 2010, 3:01 pm

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Hmmm, molotovs made with oil... How deliciously ironic. ~.~

Might as well get it while's there to be gotten. Not to mention it's not like as if the government is going to make sure things are taken care of. They've obviously shown that they can simply be paid off and when that doesn't work, intimidated. Janet Napolitano said that BP is running the show for the clean-up.

To me, it looks like the politicians will be corrupted no matter what...so the solution is to actually take care of those responsible for the corruption personally.

My home is worth more than their lives.

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20 May 2010, 3:15 pm

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BP better pay for everything. Clean up, costs, marshlands, everything!

They won't and haven't. The fishermen who are all out of work are having to get money from food banks because the waters were shut off basically around the start of the season which is where they basically get all their money for the year (essentially, they get a 3 month period that they pull in a few thousand dollars and live off that for the year). There really isn't a lot of work for them to be able to pick up thanks to the economy.

I'm about ready to do something drastic. This is the second fracking time my home has been fracked by a lack of proper oversight from the federal government (again, on Bush's watch) and this one promises to have a much larger scope than Katrina.

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20 May 2010, 3:18 pm

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BP better pay for everything. Clean up, costs, marshlands, everything!

Stop the Bush blame. This has nothing to do with him. He's been out of office for over a year. This is entirely BP's fault. Think about it.

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20 May 2010, 3:24 pm

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BP better pay for everything. Clean up, costs, marshlands, everything!

Stop the Bush blame. This has nothing to do with him. He's been out of office for over a year. This is entirely BP's fault. Think about it.

The decision to not have the emergency valves installed that would have prevented this disaster were passed on by Bush's appointee to the MMS. The safety valve is standard and required by law in many other countries around the world, including by the Dutch.

The most deregulation for the oil industries was seen under Bush's term in office.

It's collusion on the part of government and private industry to do what's in the best interest of the corporation rather than the best interest of the people and has now put the entire wetlands and much of your seafood supply at risk.

Not to mention the fact that this will worsen coastal erosion down here which plays a big factor in how the city can weather tropical storms and hurricanes.

Obama hasn't been any better and he hasn't taken any of the necessary sweeping action to actually reign in the corporations for their wrongdoings nor has he gotten enough money to the area (or gotten that money from BP for the area).

Sorry, but Bush's administration and his complete lack of leadership and lack of any sense of politics beyond a moron's rhetoric plays a large part in this.

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20 May 2010, 5:02 pm

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I’ll admit this is Bush’s fault if you’ll admit Barney Franks (Chairman of the House Financial Services Committee) and Chris Dodd (Chairman of the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs) are entirely responsible for the housing bubble meltdown. Both of them implemented rules, which forced banks to give mortgages to people the banks knew wouldn't be able to pay back. So what did these banks do? They turned lemons into lemonade by creating a matrix of financial products, like mortgage backed securities and credit default swaps, with the intention of protecting their companies from financial ruin. I don’t blame the banking sector. They did what they had to do.

I'm not saying the oil spill is not a disaster. It is! And I'm sad it happened. But I consider the housing bubble a worst disaster. It impacted so many sectors, and its effects still persist today.

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20 May 2010, 5:21 pm

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Entirely? No. They certainly played their part, though. Deregulation and a bubble-friendly fed played a much larger part. Alan Greenspan played probably one of the largest roles in the whole ordeal from the federal side.

I'm not looking to compare "disasters" because a made up economic disaster isn't the same thing as a few million gallons of oil washing up into wetlands where they can't be cleaned easily (hint: wetlands aren't like beaches) and have far reaching impacts both locally and nationally. Talking decades, not just simply an economic downturn that might last maybe a decade. And then on top of that, with less wetlands, that means more coastal erosion and less buffer for storms and you can't magically wish back wetlands like you can magically create fiat money.

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20 May 2010, 5:45 pm

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6496749n&tag=api

CBS reporters being threatened with arrest by coast guards acting under instruction from BP.

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21 May 2010, 11:23 am

www.wwl.com

Check out the live stream right now this very moment if you can. Garland Robinette is delivering a killer speech.

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22 May 2010, 1:41 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyA98dMyX1s&feature=related[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXIo8fGkNJo[/youtube]

Watch, please.

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22 May 2010, 1:50 pm

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There is no assurance that the Dutch valve would have stopped a back-blow of methane such as happened with the BP well. Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't. The conditions in the Gulf are unique to the Gulf. Government Regulations are not or should not be graven on two tablets of stone. The people who work for the government are political employees or appointees and not working technicians or technologists. The people who know what they are doing are Out There doing it, and not collecting a government paycheck.

How good were government regulations pertaining to manned space-craft? If the crews of Challenger and Columbia were still alive, they would say not very good.

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22 May 2010, 2:23 pm

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There was not government regulation on BP. There was no enforcement of regulations. That's why this whole mess happened. It's your minimalized government idiocy that caused the god damned spill. Or are you too entrenched in obsession with yourself to admit that? The government is needed to enforce such property protections and they failed to do so. Having less government means the same failures happen. Hold the government to a higher standard, don't eagerly anticipate and celebrate their failures.

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