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19 May 2010, 11:49 am

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FREE SPEECH!

Basically, the TV channel in America that shows the cartoon South Park censored an episode which showed Muhammad after they received death threats from Muslim extremist groups, so this is a protest against extremists and for freedom of speech.

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19 May 2010, 11:56 am

I heard somewhere that the freedom of someone stops where another's begins. <.<



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19 May 2010, 12:07 pm

Well, fine. Let's all draw Mohammed and get ourselves killed.



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19 May 2010, 12:08 pm

pandabear wrote:
Well, fine. Let's all draw Mohammed and get ourselves killed.


I think the idea is that if everyone does it, they can't kill you... Or they'd have to kill over 30,000 who apparently will be participating.



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19 May 2010, 12:19 pm

A depiction topic

If someone could upload Moe of The Three Stooges this may work!! :P


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19 May 2010, 12:27 pm

pandabear wrote:
Well, fine. Let's all draw Mohammed and get ourselves killed.


Coward.


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19 May 2010, 1:18 pm

Well, where do we submit these pictures?



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19 May 2010, 1:36 pm

I am torn.

On the one hand, my liberal side says that if one wants to draw Mohammed, burn a US flag, wear a pink triange, paint swastikas on one's house or depict Christ and Mary Magdelene in mid-coitus (or Christ and John for that matter), then one is free to do so.

On the other hand, my pragmatic side says why would one deliberately engage in provocative expression without some larger goal in mind? Taking a privileged, provocative act just because one can strikes me as an invitation to an unnecessary response.

Is speech any freer or free speech any safer from constraint because of this?


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19 May 2010, 1:45 pm

I look at it like this. Muhammad has no face.. drawing him is offense to some people so why bother? why let something bother you that much.. that you go out of your way to draw it? Yeah you can out of freedom, but it's ignorant. Just leave it alone.



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19 May 2010, 2:11 pm

Quanta wrote:
I look at it like this. Muhammad has no face.. drawing him is offense to some people so why bother? why let something bother you that much.. that you go out of your way to draw it? Yeah you can out of freedom, but it's ignorant. Just leave it alone.


I agree. Sure, drawing Muhammad is freedom of speech, but purposely offending millions of moderate Muslims because of a few terrorists just seems unnecessary and immature to me. There are better ways to protest extremism than spitting the faces of people who believe in free speech but will still take offense when someone insults their beliefs.


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19 May 2010, 2:17 pm

phil777 wrote:
I heard somewhere that the freedom of someone stops where another's begins. <.<


One person's freedom of speech cannot possibly infringe another's. As pointless as I think it is to draw Muhammad, it does not in any way interfere with anyone's rights. The right to free speech takes precedence over the luxury of not being insulted.


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19 May 2010, 2:24 pm

One-Winged-Angel wrote:
Quanta wrote:
I look at it like this. Muhammad has no face.. drawing him is offense to some people so why bother? why let something bother you that much.. that you go out of your way to draw it? Yeah you can out of freedom, but it's ignorant. Just leave it alone.


I agree. Sure, drawing Muhammad is freedom of speech, but purposely offending millions of moderate Muslims because of a few terrorists just seems unnecessary and immature to me. There are better ways to protest extremism than spitting the faces of people who believe in free speech but will still take offense when someone insults their beliefs.


I'm also wondering if it isn't a response to the threat that was directed both on the creators of South Park and the Swedish cartoonist that was attacked for depicting (pbuh) Muhammed.

While I don't agree that this is right, I don't see it any different from the caricatures of Jeebus, Ghandi, celebrities, god, and so forth.

The facebook was tactless for its purpose but I do question why one icon representing the faith of a people should be treated differently than any other faith based religion/ideology.

If it were me, I wouldn't look at it, simple. I see a lot of stuff on facebook that I find personally offensive but in the same respect, I move on. Now if it was a matter of racism that would be a different thing.


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19 May 2010, 2:51 pm

The way I see this, is that this is a rule that MUSLIMS agree to. MUSLIMS agree as part of their faith THEY will not depict Mohammad. They shouldn't be in any way forcing this rule on outsiders to their faith. The extremists who keep threatening violence over this most stupid of issues are just doing so to promote their dominance over other cultures and should be resisted at every opportunity.

I can draw the prophet if I damn well please because I'm not MUSLIM.
This is not meant to be antagonistic, but I will not be bullied into following the rules of some faith I'm not a part of.


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19 May 2010, 2:55 pm

visagrunt wrote:
I am torn.

On the one hand, my liberal side says that if one wants to draw Mohammed, burn a US flag, wear a pink triange, paint swastikas on one's house or depict Christ and Mary Magdelene in mid-coitus (or Christ and John for that matter), then one is free to do so.

On the other hand, my pragmatic side says why would one deliberately engage in provocative expression without some larger goal in mind? Taking a privileged, provocative act just because one can strikes me as an invitation to an unnecessary response.

Is speech any freer or free speech any safer from constraint because of this?


The possibility of violent reprisal is an infringement on the right of free speech. A is offended by what B says. Does that give A the right to physically harm B?

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19 May 2010, 3:09 pm

Zara wrote:
I can draw the prophet if I damn well please because I'm not MUSLIM.
This is not meant to be antagonistic, but I will not be bullied into following the rules of some faith I'm not a part of.


You can do that if you want, but doing it just to "show them" is, in my opinion, a waste of time, drawing materials, and outrage. Do what you want, but I think your efforts would be better spent just about anywhere else.


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19 May 2010, 3:20 pm

Let us call this one a "draw" topic

Just because we can, does not mean we will.

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