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31 May 2012, 4:39 pm

from the Daily Mail

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Are autistic people 'unable' to believe in God? Ability to think 'inside' other people's heads is key to religious feelings

Most believers think of deity as being who 'thinks'
Austistic adolescents less likely to believe in God
Ability to 'mentalise' - think inside other people's heads is key to belief
Men less able to mentalise than women

Belief in God - or other higher powers - might be linked to a person's ability to imagine what others think and feel. The discovery could mean that people who find it difficult to 'mentalise' - think 'inside' other people's heads, are unable to believe. 'Mentalising' is the capacity to understand what another person is thinking - a crucial aspect in how people handle the social world. Religious believers usually think of their deities as beings who 'think' in a way similar to human beings. People with autistic spectrum disorders have difficulty mentalising. 'Autistic adolescents expressed less belief in God,' say the researchers. The study was based on samples of Canadian studies, and two nationwide samples of the American population. Men also have far more trouble with the social skill.

‘Religious believers intuitively think of their deities as personified beings with mental states who anticipate and respond to human needs and actions. 'Therefore, mentalizing deficits would be expected to make religious belief less intuitive,' say the researchers, from the University of British Columbia. Other factors, such as cultural and psychological factors are also at work - it's not as simple as 'mentalising' being the key to whether someone is a believer or not. According to Will Gervais, who co-led the investigation, ‘Mentalizing deficits are known to be more common in men than women, and in our research this explained the well-known finding that men tend to be less religious than women’.


Is there any truth in this? There seem to be quite a few religious people on wp. Does anyone think there is a correlation between their ability to mentalise and whether they believe in God?



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31 May 2012, 4:52 pm

I think it's hogwash. It looks like the experimental data showed autistics were more likely to be atheists, and then they just ran in inserting all their half-baked suppositions to account for it.

What's "mentalizing" got to do with blowing yourself up in a crowded mall, for example?

Simpler explanation here - impairments with imaginative play would fully account for it, in every way. Fantasizing is impaired, and as the religious freely admit, all the other religions are fantasies (just not their own ... not compatible with the suspension of disbelief that is required).



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31 May 2012, 5:14 pm

edgewaters wrote:
I think it's hogwash. It looks like the experimental data showed autistics were more likely to be atheists, and then they just ran in inserting all their half-baked suppositions to account for it.

What's "mentalizing" got to do with blowing yourself up in a crowded mall, for example?

Simpler explanation here - impairments with imaginative play would fully account for it, in every way. Fantasizing is impaired, and as the religious freely admit, all the other religions are fantasies (just not their own ... not compatible with the suspension of disbelief that is required).


I couldn't agree more religion isn't for everyone I don't care if your religious or not I only care that I am.



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31 May 2012, 5:48 pm

What about all the autistics who aren't atheists? Or who love animals? I think the article is hogwash. There are a lot of NTs who are thinking rather than feeling oriented who have as much trouble as any autistic getting inside others heads or feelings. Empathy can be felt by autistics, it's simply not always expressed very well.

But I'm not convinced that either results in a lack of belief in God. Either one has felt the impact of Spirit in their lives or they haven't, or they've been raised with religious belief or they haven't. I don't think you can make a blanket statement about faith or lack of faith for any group of people. We're individuals, and it's important not to forget that.



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01 Jun 2012, 2:10 pm

Seashell wrote:
from the Daily Mail

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... Religious believers usually think of their deities as beings who 'think' in a way similar to human beings. People with autistic spectrum disorders have difficulty mentalising ...

‘Religious believers intuitively think of their deities as personified beings with mental states who anticipate and respond to human needs and actions. 'Therefore, mentalizing deficits would be expected to make religious belief less intuitive,' say the researchers, from the University of British Columbia ...

Does anyone think there is a correlation between their ability to mentalise and whether they believe in God?

I believe my "Aspie wiring" makes it possible for me to easily question things like religious believers perceiving "God" as an entity who might "'think' in a way similar to human beings" or who exists to "anticipate and respond to human needs and actions." However, that does not keep me from believing God exists and makes "good" available to all.


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01 Jun 2012, 2:39 pm

Personally, I think its a matter of thinkers vs feelers.



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01 Jun 2012, 6:30 pm

A lack of churches that can accommodate and also accept ASDs is a major issue too.


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01 Jun 2012, 8:37 pm

I like to believe in things that have solid, logical evidence to support it's existence.
So far, I have found absolutely no logical evidence supporting the existence of any kind of a deity.

I agree with TM, it is a matter of thinkers vs feelers.
If one really thinks about it, God makes no logical sense.


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01 Jun 2012, 8:47 pm

What an inane article.