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14 Jun 2010, 8:31 pm

This is similar to the "Rate Your Professor" website, where you give your heads of state, past or present, an A, B, C, D, or F, based on how good a job he/she did.

Barack Obama: D

George W. Bush: C

Bill Clinton: B

George H.W. Bush: A+

Ronald Reagan: A+

Jimmy Carter: F


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14 Jun 2010, 8:35 pm

Obama: F
Bush: F
Clinton: D-
Bush: D
Reagan: F


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14 Jun 2010, 8:40 pm

Barack Obama: C

Geithner bailout, mandating people by faulty corporate insurance. Did get rid of the pre-existing conditions clause, though.

George W. Bush: F

Destroy the revenue base, responsible for structural deficit, let the banks go loose (help with predessor on this), economic team failed to see the crash, started the upward redistribution of wealth known as the Paulson bailout, and is responsible for destruction of Iraq.

Bill Clinton: D -

Built the US economy on bubbles, but fixed the deficit.

George H.W. Bush: D-

Didn''t advert the disasterous economic policies, quite a miltiarist. Appeased the Christian nationalists.

Ronald Reagan: F

Based his decisions on astrology and Regan. S&L, Iran-Contra, and the paving the way (along with Carter) for America's economic collapse. Strengthened the American plutocracy.

Jimmy Carter: C -

Beginning of the end of the New Deal, deregulated the airlines.



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14 Jun 2010, 8:41 pm

Obama: B-
Bush: D
Clinton: F
Bush: C
Reagan: A



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14 Jun 2010, 8:42 pm

skafather84 wrote:
Obama: F
Bush: F
Clinton: D-
Bush: D
Reagan: F


Why give Clinton such a high rating, when his deregulatory policies paved the way for the 2008- American Depression?



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14 Jun 2010, 8:50 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Obama: F
Bush: F
Clinton: D-
Bush: D
Reagan: F


Why give Clinton such a high rating, when his deregulatory policies paved the way for the 2008- American Depression?


I gave him the same rating you did. The only one I rated higher was Bush I and even there, I think most of the reason why he fared so well was because he was a one term president.


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14 Jun 2010, 8:56 pm

skafather84 wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Obama: F
Bush: F
Clinton: D-
Bush: D
Reagan: F


Why give Clinton such a high rating, when his deregulatory policies paved the way for the 2008- American Depression?


I gave him the same rating you did. The only one I rated higher was Bush I and even there, I think most of the reason why he fared so well was because he was a one term president.


But what makes Slick Willie worse than Obama? True, Obama campaigned on false hope but so did Clinton. And Clinton is much more responsible for this crisis than Obama (albeit, the Geithner bailout is a pretty poor plan) given that he's the guy who signed into law the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999.



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14 Jun 2010, 8:57 pm

Clinton and the bubble economy

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH9BRbx4UVM[/youtube]



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14 Jun 2010, 9:30 pm

Obama: Final grades are assigned once the semester is over. He will need to do very well on the midterm if he hopes to pass.

Bush II: F. After poor attendance in the beginning of the semester, Bush only began showing up on a regular basis after there had already been a major crisis. Despite assurances that he would work to correct the previous deficiencies, there was no notable improvement in his performance, and he clearly failed to grasp the material.

Clinton: B-. He had mixed areas of good and poor performance, and he was caught cheating shortly before the final.

Bush I: C-

Reagan: F. His work was almost entirely unoriginal and he displayed incredible dishonesty on numerous occasions. Further, his stated goals bore almost no resemblance to the work he turned in, leading me to suspect poor planning and time management. Often napped during class.


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14 Jun 2010, 9:35 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Obama: F
Bush: F
Clinton: D-
Bush: D
Reagan: F


Why give Clinton such a high rating, when his deregulatory policies paved the way for the 2008- American Depression?


I gave him the same rating you did. The only one I rated higher was Bush I and even there, I think most of the reason why he fared so well was because he was a one term president.


But what makes Slick Willie worse than Obama? True, Obama campaigned on false hope but so did Clinton. And Clinton is much more responsible for this crisis than Obama (albeit, the Geithner bailout is a pretty poor plan) given that he's the guy who signed into law the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999.


You mean what makes Obama worse than Billy? Well, so far, he's continued most of Bush's policies despite his election being based on a referendum to end Bush's policies. On top of that, Bush's policies were failure in action. And so as such, Obama's presidency is also failure in action thus far.


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14 Jun 2010, 9:50 pm

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Obama: Final grades are assigned once the semester is over. He will need to do very well on the midterm if he hopes to pass.


Can you give us his first progress report?



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14 Jun 2010, 9:55 pm

skafather84 wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Obama: F
Bush: F
Clinton: D-
Bush: D
Reagan: F


Why give Clinton such a high rating, when his deregulatory policies paved the way for the 2008- American Depression?


I gave him the same rating you did. The only one I rated higher was Bush I and even there, I think most of the reason why he fared so well was because he was a one term president.


But what makes Slick Willie worse than Obama? True, Obama campaigned on false hope but so did Clinton. And Clinton is much more responsible for this crisis than Obama (albeit, the Geithner bailout is a pretty poor plan) given that he's the guy who signed into law the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999.


You mean what makes Obama worse than Billy? Well, so far, he's continued most of Bush's policies despite his election being based on a referendum to end Bush's policies. On top of that, Bush's policies were failure in action. And so as such, Obama's presidency is also failure in action thus far.


The fact of the matter is that Slick Willie's economic policy paved the way for a reccession and most of the growth during his terms were based on economic bubbles.

At least Obama shows some faint, dim, glimmers of half-hearted hope in that he may get a financial transactions tax passed, spent at least a little money on infastructure projects (far too much went to tax cuts) and has ensured pre-existing conditions are no longer such a barrier to insurance.



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14 Jun 2010, 11:10 pm

I would like to hear about the other heads of state as well. What about Cameron, Harper, Rudd, Sarkozy...?


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14 Jun 2010, 11:19 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
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Obama: Final grades are assigned once the semester is over. He will need to do very well on the midterm if he hopes to pass.


Can you give us his first progress report?

He is likely to get what my university would call an "academic alert" this fall.


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14 Jun 2010, 11:50 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
I would like to hear about the other heads of state as well. What about Cameron, Harper, Rudd, Sarkozy...?


Harper F

Reduced Canada's revenue by cutting the highly efficent GST, lead Canada into deficit and pretending it would never come to fruition, appointed a Minister of Industry, Science and Technology who is ambivalent about evolution, and has disgraced Canada on the world stage with his reactionary positions on Climate Change (ensuring the Canada is no longer a leader in dealing with Climate Change). He has also given wasted money on a temporary fake lake and has persued economic policies that are giving Canada a bad case of Dutch Disease. Has also cut funding to groups critical of his policies - thuggery.

Paul Martin B-

Dismantled the Canadian social safety net under Chretein, but ensured that Canada's banking system would remain sound. With nudging from the NDP, he instituted generally progressive social policies and legalized same-sex marriage, which boasts his grade. The first part of his tenure was Bay Street neoliberalism, afterwards Mainstreet progressivism motivated him.

Jean Chretein D

Alongside Paul Martin, he destroyed the social safety net of Canada and strangled those who protested it. Poverty reduction targets were miserable failures and Canada signed Kyoto and failed to enact it. Also failed to enact a promised national childcare program. He did ensure the banking system was overseen to the point where it would weather the reccessionary storm, though. Presided over a massive culture of corruption as well.

Brian Mulroney D

Signed away Canadian soverignty through select provisions in NAFTA regarding natural resources. Favoured Quebec over a Winnipeg company that should've got the CF-18 contracts. Began the auctioning of Canada's public sector. Was massively corrupt, patronage loving, and ignored the Air India tragedy. Did condemn the illegal contra operations, though.

John Turner - N/A

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Pierre Trudeau C

Ensured Western Alienation through his National Energy Program, although Petro-Canada was generally a good idea. Supported civil liberties before he suspended them. Was pretty awful when it came to dealing with Aboriginal Canadians, though socially progressive when it came to decriminalizing homosexuality. Modernizing proposals like Metric System and multiculturalism laudable.