Arthur Jones PhD Bio. "It is commonly claimed..."

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30 Jun 2010, 4:50 am

First published in In Six Days

by Arthur Jones PhD Biology.


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It is commonly claimed by secular scientists that creationism is a “science stopper.” The contention is that to ascribe anything (e.g., the origin of living organisms) to the direct action of God is to cut off all scientific inquiry. This seems such simple common sense that it has been very persuasive. Nevertheless, it is not difficult to show that the argument is fallacious.

A number of general points can be made. First, the argument is based on ignorance of all the different ways in which Christian faith can enter into science and of how fruitful these have been. After all, many of the great scientists of the past were committed Christians and many of those were consciously exploring the implications of their Christian faith for science. Second, whereas the direct action of God may cut off one type of explanation, others will remain and may even be enhanced. To say that God created the different kinds of animals and plants certainly cuts off explanation in terms of evolutionary continuity. However, it leaves wide-open scientific investigation of every other pattern of relationship (ecological, developmental, etc.) between these kinds. Scientists have been so indoctrinated in the belief that all patterns can only be explained historically in terms of the happenstances of Darwinian evolution that many wouldn’t even know how to look for explanations in other terms. Third, there is abundant documentation of the fact that evolutionary naturalism has often stopped scientific research. To take just one example, the evolutionary assumption that certain organs or features are vestigial has often long delayed the (fruitful) research into their functions.

More specifically, one can appeal to experience and this is where this essay becomes a personal testimony to the scientific fruitfulness of a commitment to creation.

During my undergraduate days when my “heretical” views became known, my professor (Otto Lowenstein, Professor of Zoology) made a point of telling me that no creationist would be allowed to do research in his department! However, he did allow me to do research. From the pressure that was put on me, I can only assume that it was thought that I could be convinced of the error of my ways. If that was the intention, then it badly backfired. Many a visiting scholar was brought into my laboratory to convince me, from their area of expertise, that evolution was indisputably true. Of course, hardly knowing their field, I never had an answer at the time, but after they had gone I would look up the relevant research and carefully analyze it. I always found that the evolutionist case was much weaker than it had seemed and that alternative creationist interpretations were available which were just as or more convincing. My position was further strengthened by the results of my own research.

I had decided to tackle the issue of the identity and nature of the created kinds. This was in response to a common evolutionist challenge that always seemed to me to be a reasonable one. If there are created kinds then they should be identifiable. I wanted to investigate the processes of variation within a kind, and gain some handle on the limits to that variation. I needed to be able to keep and breed large numbers of species. My background was in vertebrate studies, so that meant fish. My supervisor was a fan of the cichlid aquarium fish, so that was quickly settled! Those years of research were fascinating. For all the diversity of species, I found the cichlids to be an unmistakably natural group, a created kind. The more I worked with these fish the clearer my recognition of “cichlidness” became and the more distinct they seemed from all the “similar” fishes I studied. Conversations at conferences and literature searches confirmed that this was the common experience of experts in every area of systematic biology. Distinct kinds really are there and the experts know it to be so. Developmental studies then showed that the enormous cichlid diversity (over 1,000 “species”) was actually produced by the endless permutation of a relatively small number of character states: 4 colors, ten or so basic pigment patterns and so on. The same characters (or character patterns) appeared “randomly” all over the cichlid distribution. The patterns of variation were “modular” or “mosaic”; evolutionary lines of descent were nowhere to be found. This kind of adaptive variation can occur quite rapidly (since it involves only what was already there) and some instances of cichlid “radiation” (in geologically “recent” lakes) were indeed dateable (by evolutionists) to within timespans of no more than a few thousand years. On a wider canvas, fossils provided no comfort to evolutionists. All fish, living and fossil, belong to distinct kinds; “links” are decidedly missing. Incidentally, creationists have no reason to be committed to any particular classification scheme, nor to any particular taxa above the kind level. “Orders,” “classes,” and “phyla” must not be allowed to become hallowed by tradition. They may be correctly identified (higher taxa are real), but there again they may not. Some “missing links” have been artifacts of bad classification systems. Morphology (and now biochemistry) have dominated classification, but ecology may yet prove to be a better guide.

My fish were supposedly strictly freshwater, but were found in the tropical fresh waters of three continents—from the Americas through Africa to Asia. I hypothesized that all, or at least most, fish kinds that survived the Flood must be able to survive both seawater and fresh, and much mixing of the two. After the post-Flood diversification within the kinds we should still find that, in marine kinds, there are some species that can tolerate much fresher water and, in freshwater kinds, some species that can tolerate much saltier water. With my cichlids I found that this was indeed the case. I was able to keep some species in pure seawater for more than two years with no harmful effects—they lived and reproduced normally. Literature searches again revealed that this was a common pattern throughout the fish classes.

I was also looking at heredity and already becoming skeptical of the dogma that “DNA is all” (so linked to reductionistic and evolutionary schemes). I discovered there is substantial evidence that there is more to heredity than genes and genic processes.

Indeed, it is clear that the whole cell system is a minimum unit of organism heredity. Genic processes have much to do with variation within kinds, but probably little to do with the distinction of kinds. Genes are best regarded as triggers in complex developmental systems rather than as creators or causes of organic structures. In this regard I found that there had been a vibrant creationist research program in developmental biology before Darwin that has been partly taken up again by the modern “structuralist” biologists (e.g., Stuart Kauffman and Brian Goodwin). Not surprisingly, the latter evolutionists are anti-Darwinian and anti-Dawkins. However, their work can readily be interpreted in creationist terms. It may, of course, ultimately prove wrong (our science is always approximate and liable to error), but it at least makes the point that creationism is not a science stopper. In my view, evolutionary explanations turn out to be fatally inconsistent.


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30 Jun 2010, 9:41 am

Creationism is also a science stopper given that the conservative Christian religion is assuredly false. :roll:



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30 Jun 2010, 11:29 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
The contention is that to ascribe anything to the direct action of God is to cut off all scientific inquiry.


That's more at the behest of most religions that are intelligent enough to back off of that. It is impossible to directly correlate anything to a direction action of god because there is no test for it. If one were to try and test for it, the hypothesis would be falsified and the final statement would always be "there is no god". The exceptions to that would be where the tests fail to be carried out properly and can be attributed to user error or design error. Even going with an idea of a god being supernatural, that means that it can't be proven scientifically so it shouldn't even enter into the conversation.


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30 Jun 2010, 5:23 pm

.....or, in other words, god is cut off to all scientific inquiry because there is no inquiry to be had/made and bringing god into any scientific inquiry only disrupts the process.

Or to put up a visual representation:

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01 Jul 2010, 1:18 am

Here, I fixed it for you :) :

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Scientists claim that creationism is a “science stopper.” The contention is that to ascribe anything (e.g., the origin of living organisms) to the direct action of God is to cut off all scientific inquiry. This seems such simple common sense that it has been very persuasive. Nevertheless, it is not difficult to show that the argument is fallacious.

Proposition: Christianity should be allowed to influence science because there are scientists that a are christian.

Proposition: By abandoning evolution, other areas of science will be enhanced.

Proposition: There are other kinds of evidence about the source of life than historical evidence, and these alone should be followed.

Proposition: Vestigal organs have undiscovered functions.

Proposition: In scientific enquiry, one should appeal to experience over evidence.

Confessional: I find creationism as, if not more appealing than evolution.

Fish.

Species have shared characteristics.

adaptive variation can occur, but evolution cannot.

Fossil evidence of creatures between 2 species does not exist.

“Orders,” “classes,” and “phyla” must not be allowed to become hallowed by tradition.

Some “missing links” have been artifacts of bad classification systems.

Ecology may yet prove to be a better guide to classification than Morphology (and now biochemistry).

Some fish can survive in a fresh or saltwater environment. This infers a planetary flood and purposeful genetic design occurred.

There is more to heredity than genes and genic processes.

The whole cell system is a minimum unit of organism heredity.

Genic processes have much to do with variation within kinds

Genic processes probably little to do with the distinction of kinds.

Genes trigger chemical reactions but do not drive them, according to Stuart Kauffman and Brian Goodwin.

Our science is always approximate and liable to error

In my view, evolutionary explanations turn out to be fatally inconsistent.



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01 Jul 2010, 4:56 am

Biblical creationism is not a science stopper. It is a science denier. It is on a par with Flat Earth thinking or geocentric thinking.

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01 Jul 2010, 8:21 am

ruveyn wrote:
Biblical creationism is not a science stopper. It is a science denier. It is on a par with Flat Earth thinking or geocentric thinking.

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Actually, at various times people have trilled and trolled about how dangerous it is to progress and some-such other hyperbole or crap.



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01 Jul 2010, 9:09 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Biblical creationism is not a science stopper. It is a science denier. It is on a par with Flat Earth thinking or geocentric thinking.

ruveyn


Actually, at various times people have trilled and trolled about how dangerous it is to progress and some-such other hyperbole or crap.


They overstate the danger somewhat. Creationism is dangerous only when Creationists attempt to foist their nonsense on the schools. Tax funded public schools should not present one word, one syllable advocating a particular religion. And by the way, the Theory of Evolution, being empirically falsifiable is NOT a religion.

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01 Jul 2010, 9:17 am

ruveyn wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Biblical creationism is not a science stopper. It is a science denier. It is on a par with Flat Earth thinking or geocentric thinking.

ruveyn


Actually, at various times people have trilled and trolled about how dangerous it is to progress and some-such other hyperbole or crap.


They overstate the danger somewhat. Creationism is dangerous only when Creationists attempt to foist their nonsense on the schools. Tax funded public schools should not present one word, one syllable advocating a particular religion. And by the way, the Theory of Evolution, being empirically falsifiable is NOT a religion.

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Yeah, it would be better if they allowed for more freedom of expression but whatever. I think the public school system is rather a poor method of education anyhow, whereby education and learning takes upon itself all the excitement of a 9 to 5 job and all the drama of ... well I suppose you can't get much worse than public school went it comes to drama.