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18 Aug 2010, 11:33 am

Karnak Temple - Karnak Egypt - panorama photo-360 degree QTVR
The temple area is said to be the largest ancient religious site in the world, and is probably the second most visited historical site in Egypt, only the ...
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Where are Adam and Eve buried?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs



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18 Aug 2010, 5:16 pm

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Where are Adam and Eve buried?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs


Traditionally, in the Caves of Machpellah.

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18 Aug 2010, 5:36 pm

ruveyn wrote:
pgd wrote:
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Where are Adam and Eve buried?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs


Traditionally, in the Caves of Machpellah.

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I don't know about "tradition" but in Genesis, it would seem that only Abraham and Sarah (and perhaps Joseph, and Rachel and Jacob, but I'm not sure because I bring this up from memory but I think that they) were the ones buried in the cave. Also, if you consider the context of Genesis, the year since creation week that Adam died was 930 AM and the year of the Flood was 1656 AM, leaving a gap of 726 years for any remains to disintegrate prior to the Flood. Potting soil, anyone?



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18 Aug 2010, 7:30 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
pgd wrote:
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Where are Adam and Eve buried?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs


Traditionally, in the Caves of Machpellah.

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I don't know about "tradition" but in Genesis, it would seem that only Abraham and Sarah (and perhaps Joseph, and Rachel and Jacob, but I'm not sure because I bring this up from memory but I think that they) were the ones buried in the cave. Also, if you consider the context of Genesis, the year since creation week that Adam died was 930 AM and the year of the Flood was 1656 AM, leaving a gap of 726 years for any remains to disintegrate prior to the Flood. Potting soil, anyone?


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http://www.biblewiki.be/wiki/Cave_of_Ma ... am_and_Eve.

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18 Aug 2010, 7:40 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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Where are Adam and Eve buried?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs


Traditionally, in the Caves of Machpellah.

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I don't know about "tradition" but in Genesis, it would seem that only Abraham and Sarah (and perhaps Joseph, and Rachel and Jacob, but I'm not sure because I bring this up from memory but I think that they) were the ones buried in the cave. Also, if you consider the context of Genesis, the year since creation week that Adam died was 930 AM and the year of the Flood was 1656 AM, leaving a gap of 726 years for any remains to disintegrate prior to the Flood. Potting soil, anyone?


Please see:

http://www.biblewiki.be/wiki/Cave_of_Ma ... am_and_Eve.

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Yeah, that says indicates that it's in Rabbinical literature alone and not from the Biblical account. All the Bible says about Adam's death is in Genesis 5:5, "And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died."



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18 Aug 2010, 7:47 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Yeah, that says indicates that it's in Rabbinical literature alone and not from the Biblical account. All the Bible says about Adam's death is in Genesis 5:5, "And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died."


In Judaism the oral tradition weighs in as heavily as written scripture. That is why I wrote:

"tradition has it that Adam and Eve are buried in the Caves of Machpelah"

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18 Aug 2010, 10:18 pm

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Big, old and illogical.



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19 Aug 2010, 12:20 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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Yeah, that says indicates that it's in Rabbinical literature alone and not from the Biblical account. All the Bible says about Adam's death is in Genesis 5:5, "And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died."


In Judaism the oral tradition weighs in as heavily as written scripture. That is why I wrote:

"tradition has it that Adam and Eve are buried in the Caves of Machpelah"

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In Rabbinic Judaism I know that is the case, however, I think they are about on the same level as commentators: secondary sources at best. Not to disrespect them, but when weighing evidence I would rather have the original than what basically seems to be a hybrid between and exposition and a fan-fiction. A Rabbi's opinion of the interpretation of a text may have plenty weight depending upon their knowledge of the Scriptures (the Tanakh), but if they try to add to the text additional details which are alien to it, it might as well be considered a form of pseudepigrapha.



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19 Aug 2010, 12:23 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
In Rabbinic Judaism I know that is the case, however, I think they are about on the same level as commentators: secondary sources at best. Not to disrespect them, but when weighing evidence I rather have the original rather than what basically seems to be a hybrid between and exposition and a fan-fiction addition.


Rabbinic Judaism is the form of Judaism that survived. The practice that depends on sacrificial offerings died with the destruction of the second temple and the dispersion of the Jews. There was a version of Judaism that depended only on the written scriptures, the Karite Movement. It died out over a thousand years ago.

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19 Aug 2010, 12:26 pm

pgd wrote:
Karnak Temple - Karnak Egypt - panorama photo-360 degree QTVR
The temple area is said to be the largest ancient religious site in the world, and is probably the second most visited historical site in Egypt, only the ...
http://www.panoramas.dk/fullscreen7/f22 ... egypt.html - Cached - Similar

(Google)

http://www.eyelid.co.uk/karnak1.htm

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Where are Adam and Eve buried?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs


There was an entire country founded off of a mythical religious land.

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I'd call that the largest ancient religious site in the world. Supposedly a lot of the ancient myths of Judaism and Christianity took place there.


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19 Aug 2010, 12:30 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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In Rabbinic Judaism I know that is the case, however, I think they are about on the same level as commentators: secondary sources at best. Not to disrespect them, but when weighing evidence I rather have the original rather than what basically seems to be a hybrid between and exposition and a fan-fiction addition.


Rabbinic Judaism is the form of Judaism that survived. The practice that depends on sacrificial offerings died with the destruction of the second temple and the dispersion of the Jews. There was a version of Judaism that depended only on the written scriptures, the Karite Movement. It died out over a thousand years ago.

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The survival of something doesn't entail the correctness of it. Islam has also survived to this day to, but I consider it to be plainly in contradiction of both the Tanakh and the New Testament and hence incongruous at best. The Soviets survived WWII, up until 1991, so does their form of socialism work?



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19 Aug 2010, 12:55 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

The survival of something doesn't entail the correctness of it. Islam has also survived to this day to, but I consider it to be plainly in contradiction of both the Tanakh and the New Testament and hence incongruous at best. The Soviets survived WWII, up until 1991, so does their form of socialism work?


No. All their survival proves is that they survived. Obviously their government works sufficiently to keep on going. By the way, efficiency of economy and correctness of religious doctrine (an absurd notion) are two different things. One can determine economic efficiency by empirical means.

No religious doctrine can be decided on empirical terms. Correctness only implies where there is an empirical method for determining whether something is correct or incorrect.

By the way the TNKH is a collection of tales and exhortations made by bronze age dudes who did not even know microbes and atoms exist.

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19 Aug 2010, 2:26 pm

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By the way the TNKH is a collection of tales and exhortations made by bronze age dudes who did not even know microbes and atoms exist.

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So what, most ancient histories fit such criteria.



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19 Aug 2010, 3:27 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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By the way the TNKH is a collection of tales and exhortations made by bronze age dudes who did not even know microbes and atoms exist.

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So what, most ancient histories fit such criteria.


It means you cannot take the ancients too seriously when they make an assertion about how the physical world works. The description of how the Sun and Moon stood still of Gibeon is a case in point. That could not have happened unless the Earth stopped rotating about its axis. Any torque strong enough to stop the rotation of the Earth about its axis would have cause super duper collosal tidal wave, earthquakes and probably the extinction of human life.

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19 Aug 2010, 6:29 pm

ruveyn wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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By the way the TNKH is a collection of tales and exhortations made by bronze age dudes who did not even know microbes and atoms exist.

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So what, most ancient histories fit such criteria.


It means you cannot take the ancients too seriously when they make an assertion about how the physical world works. The description of how the Sun and Moon stood still of Gibeon is a case in point. That could not have happened unless the Earth stopped rotating about its axis. Any torque strong enough to stop the rotation of the Earth about its axis would have cause super duper collosal tidal wave, earthquakes and probably the extinction of human life.

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To argue briefly regarding you point in reference to the book of Joshua, the assumption of your post is that, if a torque were applied, it would be applied in a non uniform manner. That need not be the case, though, if it were possible to apply torque in a ubiquitous manner from the center of the earth to the upper atmosphere inclusive. But, of course, since such is impossible for us it must be impossible in general, right?

Anyway, there's a lot more in the Bible and in other written material from ancient times that does not pertain to miracles, such as the book of Ester which doesn't even mention God, or even most of Kings and Chronicles within the Bible. There are various historical works outside the Bible with far less accuracy, and yet nobody writes diatribes and polemics about them. And there's non-historical non-mythological documents from Assyria which are essentially accounting paperwork in clay tablet format.



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19 Aug 2010, 6:42 pm

That's awesome. never would have though that.


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