Our own personal views relative to AS

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How do we know if our own political, philosophical and religious views are a manifest of our own personalities, as taught by the social environment, or are simply a product of our having Asperger's?

It is well documented that many people with Asperger's have an intense moral conscience, and many easily tend to rules and regulations for structure and sustenance. Does that mean that we have an advantage over others in trying to regulate society? Or are we too concerned with structure that we should back off a little?

Even though I have deeply profound views, I still sometimes wonder, and even if I felt I should back off a little, it simply won't happen. I just can't, because my interest is too strong. All sorts of ideas continuously flow through my head, however, even if I don't always cater or agree to them myself.

Our passion for structure? Could it interfere with the lives of everyone else's freedom? I read, in a book, about some kid who who told a few boys outside his school to stop smoking. When these boys refused, the kid, having AS, threw a tantrum. Now, this is kids, so they are going to be a little less mature than us adults. Still, we adults still have a passion for structure. We probably always will.

Are we basing our fundamental views on this passion for structure? And should we use it to try to enforce it onto everyone else?

- Ray M -

What, exactly, would you have us use for a base? Logic? Then our views should be demonstrable by others, NTs and Aspies alike. They may have come from an emotional response originally, but if the logic holds up, it holds up.

Or do you mean spirit? Is not out Aspie nature then a part of that? Or do you really think of it as an alien presence within your soul?

I guess I don't see the problem.

it's weird that you say that because i do have a really strong conscience in terms of wanting what's right and i always try to do research...which is why i try to not shout evil too much....except at religion because no one listsens anyways and the s*** is never fixed...it's not god i have a problem with, it's the followers and their interpretation of books written by man about a deity that they're claiming to have more knowledge on than us....which reeks of BS to me. but really, it really feels a lot of times that i can make better moral decisions than a lot of other people and care more than others. i've considered going into politics off and on for a while....i just haven't because i know i wouldn't win and i'm too honest about everything and i wouldn't lie about my drinking or smoking habbits or my views on religion and most people don't approve of or want to hear that stuff. but religion and getting the country on the right path is something i do feel deeply about. i'm not religious but i guess in the sense of the defintion of the word, i am evangelical about what i do believe in.

i'm not sure about structure or not because a lot of my life reflects my own growing up around jazz and hanging our with jazz cats and playing it by ear....structure is something i desire but in my own weird way.....but yeah....i guess i am evangelical about my beliefs and i dunno if i should try to enforce it or not....i do feel it is something important to get out....but i have learned when to respect other people's beliefs and opinions when interacting with people so i don't try to push stuff too much...afterall, some people listen better to a more passive manner and observing rather than being told directly or some other more active and direct way...kinda lead by example.


the question about structure, though.....that brings up a kind of oxymoron in myself about wanting structure but freedom to improvise and move around....if that makes sense.

as far as interfering with other people's freedoms....one thing i passionately stand for is the constitution and freedom. if i don't like someone for what they do...fine. if it's something that's actually emperically wrong and i can prove it, i'll go ahead and expose it if and when needed....but i'm not about laws and restricting people's freedoms, in general....i actually do respect religion....just not the dogmatic side of it and how it doesn't respect and looks to fight down science and logic and reason. they have the rights to their opinions and their own ill-concieved ideas but they will also be put into place about it and i won't stand for them trying to take people's rights away and create people with no brains and all heart....there has to be a balance between the two.

If everyone used logic they would all come to the same conclusion.

In politics, like in religion, it seems that your conclusion depends on waht culture you are from. IN religion, if you are European, then you are Protestant or Catholic, if you are Russian or Greek, then you are Orthodox, if you are Arab, then you are Muslim, if you are Chineeze, you are Buddhist, if you are Indian, you are HIndu, etc.

SO this shows BIAS. Becase you base the objective fact on what kind of God is out there based on what nationality you are comming from.

In polititcs the it is similar. It all depends on how you were raised, what part of the country you live at (in NOrth they are more liberal in South more republican, etc) Also different countries have different views too. Europe is generally more supportive of Islamic world than USA.

BOTTOM LINE: this is all very NT. That is herd mentality. Doesn't apply to aspies.

So aspies are the only one who are logical. ANd no they cna't perswade a HERD of NT-s to follow logic.

I don't see how aspies are logical. They are presumed to think logically, yes ... but, somehow, through all this logical thinking, they form their own views, just as NTs do. There are different variants of aspies. Some are socialist, capitalist, libertarian, whatever. If logic was the main player in the game, then all aspies would thus come to the same conclusions. They don't, which can easily be addressed by the views expressed on this site alone. I think that logical thinking is intrinsic to the individual in terms of things that are socially-based. Aspies are just way more stubborn on these things than NTs. Aspies don't easily apply to herd mentality, yes ... but I believe that happens in some cases, regardless.

- Ray M -

Well, I am an atheist. I don't believe in the existence of a superhuman being. If there were any religions that I would express any interest in, it would have to be pagan in origin. It would be religions that looked at the facets of the world, the forests, the rivers, etc.., as having a spiritual quality. This spiritual quality, however, would have more to do with what I would call an emotional connection with the world's facets. You wouldn't want to destroy the rivers, because you see something spiritual in them. You see something that you can cherish emotionally, and you see something that is beneficial to the community over time.

I believe contemporary religions are simply cults. There is no difference between Applewhite's so-called "Heaven's Gate" cult and the nature of contemporary Catholicism or Judaism. Someone either writes a book or speaks from a podium, and the followers listen rabidly. Most contemporary religions are also turning into fundamentalist and racist cults, a sign of rabid insecurities within the social hierarchies.

All traditional religions involve a belief in an omnipresent superhuman presence. There are lots of different traditional religions as well, which is sort of weird, because they all have different characteristics and sources. Obviously, someone wrote these codes of religious doctrine. It has nothing to do with anything in the texts. Most of the work of traditional religions is a lie, and there is very little spiritual about them at all.

- Ray M -