Just a thought on abortion

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Now, I don't really care much about abortion. It's way down on my list. My opinion on it is that while I wouldn't have one myself, the circumstances are too varied for the government to decide when it is right and when it is wrong. Pro-lifers like to say that if they can prove that the fetus is alive then the issue is settled, but it just isn't so simple.

Anyway, I was just trying to come up with a joke, when I had this thought.

Suppose that I am a pregnant pro-choice woman. Abortion is legal where I live, even up past the third trimester.

Now, one day I go into the abortion clinic and say, "I want an abortion".

The receptionist nods, because she hears that about 50 times a day.

"Actually," say I, "I'd only like part of an abortion. I want the fetus's right arm removed."

She tries to figure out if I'm joking, but realizes that I'm serious. "You can't do that," she says.

"Why?" I ask. "It's part of my body. Why am I allowed to remove the entire fetus but not a single arm? I know that you're capable of removing the arm without killing the fetus, so why are you denying me the right to do what I want with my body?"


Your thoughts.

Here's what I think about abortion. Having a baby is a life-changing experience for any women. Why should the government get in the way of a woman's array of choices that could have life-changing experiences? And to even think about criminalizing such women who pose no detriment to society is a disgrace.

But the role of abortion itself, politically speaking, is wrought with hypocrisy and propaganda. People who present themselves as opponents of abortion consider themselves "pro-lifers." The term "pro-life" is used mostly as a propaganda strategy to divide the nation. People who call themselves "pro-lifers" should also be aware that they are not necessarily "pro-lifers," at least not in any real meaning of the term "pro-life."

There exists very few people who could truly be called "pro-lifers." There are some deeply religious people who could be rightly called "pro-life," but most of these people who use the term know little of what they're referring to, other than parroting the stuff they hear through the media channels. Most of these "pro-lifers" are also for the death penalty, so they must also be "pro-death." And, you can't have it both ways.

Patrick Buchanan may be the utmost hypocrite of the entire bunch. He supports the "pro-life" position, considers himself "pro-life," and also supports the death penalty. Yet, he doesn't seem to say he's "pro-death." Well, maybe that's because people who are for the death penalty are not called "pro-death" in the eyes of the media.

I take the views on abortion with a grain of salt.

- Ray M -

that's pretty out of the ordinary.....i have to wonder if something like that is even possible...


but an interesting article to be a companion to this thread....

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Don't forget war. Kinda hard to call yourself pro-life when you advocate ruining the lives of people you'll never meet.

I favor abortion because I favor protecting assured current assets over potential but uncertain benefits. The reasoning behind why abortion is okay or not is important. I don't care what is done with the fetus. I don't much care what is done with the child until it is a few days old.

abortion sucks.

making abortion illegal sucks much worse!

The mistake most people make in the abortion debate is comparing an unborn baby (or even a born in my mind) with an adult.

Killing an adult is MURDER. Killing a baby is INFANTICIDE.

Here's the difference. An adult has had at least 18 years of resources invested to make them. Society is looking for a return on it's investment.

A fetus only has half an hour of enjoyment invested in it's creation. If it is lost, it's no big deal, make another one already. It's not like it's difficult or a dirty job that no one wants to do.

Did anyone read the book Freakonomics?? They make a good case that abortion lowers crime. I happen to agree 'cause I know many women who've had abortions. Mostly they're a bunch of tweakers that you don't want having kids in the first place. TRUST ME!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !

I could give my opinion but what is another opinion worth. I do know that Christians are very much pro-life as for as abortion is concerned. I have a very good scientific understanding why the religious do what they do, but I fail to understand why Christians (I assume Muslims also) are pro-life.
There must be benefits to the collective society by condemning abortion other then the welfare of the unborn child. It might come down to Christian views towards fornication (sex before marrage).

Christianities support of capital punishment is simply down cutting the bad genes from the source so the criminal does not have criminal minded children.

Seigneur -- One situation is killing while the other situation is *maiming*. Thus they are DIFFERENT scenarios and thus different moral rules apply.

The human body itself has already decreed that abortions are OK. A miscarriage is an abortion instigated by the body itself. It is unsurprising that the body is OK with abortion because abortion is just killing some cells, and the body kills thousands (millions?) of its cells every single day, that is how it works. What do you think you skin is? Dead cells.


Scrapheap -- Harsh but true!


Aspie_Chav -- The reason why Christians are anti-birth-control and anti-abortion is that the leaders (the manipulators) want more followers because having more followers gives them more power, and it is power that they crave. And being anti-birth-control and anti-abortion gives them more followers. It is all about gaining power through numbers.

Also, it is easier to create a new Christian by indoctrinating vulnerable children than indoctrinating an adult. Adults tend to be less naive and gullible than children, hence children are an easier target, so encouraging Christians to have more children is an easier way to increase the numbers of Christians for the purpose of gaining more power.

For Christians, abortion is not an issue of morality or ethics. It is a political and power issue. Oh they CLAIM it is about ethics, but it is such a thin translucent facade over their real agenda.

Oh good! then we don't have to have capital punishment any more... we can just castrate them!

castration is a punishment that is far too overlooked.



most rapists should face castration.

This makes the most sense because it follows the natural laws of nature. The other is not as strong as this one.

I know that the Catholic Church completely opposes war and the death penalty. The pope made a statement about how horrible going to Iraq was (before or immediately after the US invaded the country).

Catholics traditionally have voted for democrats and I have a hard time understanding why they compromise so many of their beliefs in voting for republicans just because of the pro-life issue.

Another thing that puzzles me about some abortion foes is that they also oppose contraception, increasing the need for abortions. Their all purpose answer seems to be abstinance, showing how disconnected from reality they are.

A guest on Charlie Rose recently made what I thought was a pretty good distinction between what is a fetus and what is a child. A child was able to survive outside the womb, somewhere around 23 weeks if I recall correctly.

The Catholic Church by opposing contraception, abortion, the death penalty and war creates an impossible situation. There's only so many resources in the world. Somethings gotta give. As was the case in communist Romania. Abortion was completely banned there. Bad mothers started to have poor quality childern that the did'nt proprly care for. Orphanages overflowed, and the kids hit the streets and became criminal thugs. The society eventually collapsed under it's own weight. If the Catholic model was adopted worldwide, all of civilization would blow apart. In a mater of a couple of decades, humainty would be on the brink of starvation. People would be reduced to canabalism. Only blind faith in outmoded religious dogma would see no birth control and no war as being compatible. They produce too big of a strain on available resources.

It’s all about the natural evolution of religion. Christianity is evolving all of the time that is why it has so many factions some forms of Christianity will die but others live on.

I cannot find any information on net to support it but my assumptions are that Catholic numbers are in decline and Evangelists are on the increase. Evangelists are the new bread of more aggressive Christians, its all about the survival of the fittest. I also assume that Islam is also on the increase for very same reason.