Should the Jews rebuild the Temple of Jerusalem?

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Should the Jews Rebuild the Temple of Jerusalem?
Yes 52%  52%  [ 14 ]
No 37%  37%  [ 10 ]
I don't care, just show the results 11%  11%  [ 3 ]
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11 Aug 2010, 9:55 am

I suppose that it might happen someday, if the USA eventually elects a president who likes the idea. Then, for example, when a new Bible comes out in the next thousand years, President Obama will get the same kudos that the present Bible directs at Cyrus. President Bush would never have countenanced it--he was far too buddy-buddy with King Faisal.

One problem is that a mosque sits atop part of the temple ruins.

If the Jews do rebuild the temple, will animal sacrifices come back?

And, if the Jews do rebuild the temple, does that mean that all of the scary things described in Revelations will start to unfold? Would we all be better off just not rebuilding the temple, so that we can stop those things from happening?



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11 Aug 2010, 10:10 am

Hey, now there is a good scientific test in the making...

We allow the temple to be rebuilt, and we scientifically observe the results. When the foretold rapture and all those other end of the world type things don't happen, the Bible can finally be put to rest and shelved next to Grimm's Faerie Tales where it belongs.



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11 Aug 2010, 10:26 am

The Revelation occurs when Jesus comes back from heaven. I don't know if it coincides with the Temple being rebuilt.

But the Dome of the Rock stands where the Temple was, and the Western (Wailing) Wall is the only known existing remnant of the original temple.


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11 Aug 2010, 10:33 am

Ideally, the temple will exist alongside the Mosque.

Animal sacrifices will be resumed. Under Hebrew law, they are still required.

You can't stop prophecy from happening. Maybe delay it, but it is prophesied because it has already happened in space/time.



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11 Aug 2010, 11:01 am

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You can't stop prophecy from happening. Maybe delay it, but it is prophesied because it has already happened in space/time.

Awfully fatalistic, don't you think? I talked to my uncle once about the end of the universe, he is of the opinion that it won't come anytime soon because the universe in the middle of its lifespan.


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11 Aug 2010, 11:09 am

Aside from bringing on the End Times, there's the practical, political matter of enraging Muslims...which, come to think of it, might bring on another kind of End Times not covered in the Bible.



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11 Aug 2010, 1:06 pm

The Israeli government is in no position to demolish the Mosque on the Temple Mount. Do not hold your breath for the Mikdash to be rebuilt any time soon.

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11 Aug 2010, 1:12 pm

Sholf wrote:
Aside from bringing on the End Times, there's the practical, political matter of enraging Muslims...which, come to think of it, might bring on another kind of End Times not covered in the Bible.


I guess that's the concept behind the term "Self fulfilling prophecy"

And you are right, Ruveyn, there is no feasible way it could happen in the current political situation.... Save for the US lending the troops required to protect the workers.... A small army at the least.



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11 Aug 2010, 1:48 pm

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The Israeli government is in no position to demolish the Mosque on the Temple Mount. Do not hold your breath for the Mikdash to be rebuilt any time soon.

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I believe the youngsters would say, "QFT."


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11 Aug 2010, 4:12 pm

I suppose that they could always build a temple on Mount Gerizim.



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11 Aug 2010, 4:44 pm

pandabear wrote:
I suppose that it might happen someday, if the USA eventually elects a president who likes the idea. Then, for example, when a new Bible comes out in the next thousand years, President Obama will get the same kudos that the present Bible directs at Cyrus. President Bush would never have countenanced it--he was far too buddy-buddy with King Faisal.

One problem is that a mosque sits atop part of the temple ruins.

If the Jews do rebuild the temple, will animal sacrifices come back?

And, if the Jews do rebuild the temple, does that mean that all of the scary things described in Revelations will start to unfold? Would we all be better off just not rebuilding the temple, so that we can stop those things from happening?


I think they can rebuild it whenever they feel like it! :lol: Personally, I'd take it as a good sign if they did.

Someone mentioned scientifically putting the Bible to rest. There is a SLIGHT problem with that. The Bible does not specify WHEN the temple will be rebuilt, so there's no guarantee that the events of Revelation will begin to happen if the Temple were rebuilt, say, next year. For all we really know, prophecies regarding the Temple destruction and rebuilding point to an as-yet unbuilt temple that will, as its ancient predecessors, be destroyed and rebuilt at an even much later date. The fulfillment of prophecy includes the rebuilding of "a" temple, but also includes other related factors and events as well.



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11 Aug 2010, 5:08 pm

Which prophesy?



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11 Aug 2010, 5:54 pm

AngelRho wrote:
pandabear wrote:
I suppose that it might happen someday, if the USA eventually elects a president who likes the idea. Then, for example, when a new Bible comes out in the next thousand years, President Obama will get the same kudos that the present Bible directs at Cyrus. President Bush would never have countenanced it--he was far too buddy-buddy with King Faisal.

One problem is that a mosque sits atop part of the temple ruins.

If the Jews do rebuild the temple, will animal sacrifices come back?

And, if the Jews do rebuild the temple, does that mean that all of the scary things described in Revelations will start to unfold? Would we all be better off just not rebuilding the temple, so that we can stop those things from happening?


I think they can rebuild it whenever they feel like it! :lol: Personally, I'd take it as a good sign if they did.

Someone mentioned scientifically putting the Bible to rest. There is a SLIGHT problem with that. The Bible does not specify WHEN the temple will be rebuilt, so there's no guarantee that the events of Revelation will begin to happen if the Temple were rebuilt, say, next year. For all we really know, prophecies regarding the Temple destruction and rebuilding point to an as-yet unbuilt temple that will, as its ancient predecessors, be destroyed and rebuilt at an even much later date. The fulfillment of prophecy includes the rebuilding of "a" temple, but also includes other related factors and events as well.


Ahhh the beauty of ambiguity in prophecy. How convenient. Well written prophecy is always either self-fulfilling or obscure enough that it can apply to anything, depending upon the time and place.



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11 Aug 2010, 6:51 pm

Exclavius wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
pandabear wrote:
I suppose that it might happen someday, if the USA eventually elects a president who likes the idea. Then, for example, when a new Bible comes out in the next thousand years, President Obama will get the same kudos that the present Bible directs at Cyrus. President Bush would never have countenanced it--he was far too buddy-buddy with King Faisal.

One problem is that a mosque sits atop part of the temple ruins.

If the Jews do rebuild the temple, will animal sacrifices come back?

And, if the Jews do rebuild the temple, does that mean that all of the scary things described in Revelations will start to unfold? Would we all be better off just not rebuilding the temple, so that we can stop those things from happening?


I think they can rebuild it whenever they feel like it! :lol: Personally, I'd take it as a good sign if they did.

Someone mentioned scientifically putting the Bible to rest. There is a SLIGHT problem with that. The Bible does not specify WHEN the temple will be rebuilt, so there's no guarantee that the events of Revelation will begin to happen if the Temple were rebuilt, say, next year. For all we really know, prophecies regarding the Temple destruction and rebuilding point to an as-yet unbuilt temple that will, as its ancient predecessors, be destroyed and rebuilt at an even much later date. The fulfillment of prophecy includes the rebuilding of "a" temple, but also includes other related factors and events as well.


Ahhh the beauty of ambiguity in prophecy. How convenient. Well written prophecy is always either self-fulfilling or obscure enough that it can apply to anything, depending upon the time and place.


Not necessarily. It just means that events must be carefully weighed as to whether they really do fulfill prophecy or not. The prophets of the OT DID make short-term prophecies for the purpose of verifying that their messages came directly from God. Prophecies that failed identified prophets as false.



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11 Aug 2010, 7:15 pm

pandabear wrote:
I suppose that it might happen someday, if the USA eventually elects a president who likes the idea. Then, for example, when a new Bible comes out in the next thousand years, President Obama will get the same kudos that the present Bible directs at Cyrus. President Bush would never have countenanced it--he was far too buddy-buddy with King Faisal.

Cyrus was a powerful leader that united the Medes and the Persians, then Conquered the Babylonian Empire. Obama is a divisive leader with dwindling support that bows to foreign dignitaries and doesn't have a clue WTF a military is for.

And there won't be another Bible anyway.


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11 Aug 2010, 8:26 pm

AngelRho wrote:
Exclavius wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
pandabear wrote:
I suppose that it might happen someday, if the USA eventually elects a president who likes the idea. Then, for example, when a new Bible comes out in the next thousand years, President Obama will get the same kudos that the present Bible directs at Cyrus. President Bush would never have countenanced it--he was far too buddy-buddy with King Faisal.

One problem is that a mosque sits atop part of the temple ruins.

If the Jews do rebuild the temple, will animal sacrifices come back?

And, if the Jews do rebuild the temple, does that mean that all of the scary things described in Revelations will start to unfold? Would we all be better off just not rebuilding the temple, so that we can stop those things from happening?


I think they can rebuild it whenever they feel like it! :lol: Personally, I'd take it as a good sign if they did.

Someone mentioned scientifically putting the Bible to rest. There is a SLIGHT problem with that. The Bible does not specify WHEN the temple will be rebuilt, so there's no guarantee that the events of Revelation will begin to happen if the Temple were rebuilt, say, next year. For all we really know, prophecies regarding the Temple destruction and rebuilding point to an as-yet unbuilt temple that will, as its ancient predecessors, be destroyed and rebuilt at an even much later date. The fulfillment of prophecy includes the rebuilding of "a" temple, but also includes other related factors and events as well.


Ahhh the beauty of ambiguity in prophecy. How convenient. Well written prophecy is always either self-fulfilling or obscure enough that it can apply to anything, depending upon the time and place.


Not necessarily. It just means that events must be carefully weighed as to whether they really do fulfill prophecy or not. The prophets of the OT DID make short-term prophecies for the purpose of verifying that their messages came directly from God. Prophecies that failed identified prophets as false.


Wow, that sounds like the Stanford ESP tests in the 70's. If you fell outside of the 95% confidence interval of random chance, you were said to have ESP. Interestingly enough, 5% of the people did.