Christians and Halloween
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A Christian might say "it's for the children" or "what's the harm in it?" or "how is getting free candy evil?"
The Encyclopedia Americana says: “Elements of the customs connected with Halloween can be traced to a Druid [ancient Celtic priesthood] ceremony in pre-Christian times. The Celts had festivals for two major gods—a sun god and a god of the dead . . . , whose festival was held on November 1, the beginning of the Celtic New Year. The festival of the dead was gradually incorporated into Christian ritual.”
Additional References
http://www.history.com/topics/halloween
http://www.jeremiahproject.com/culture/halloween.html
http://www.neopagan.net/Halloween-Origins.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween
Halloween's origins are steeped in Paganism. If you are a Christian and you follow the bible's teachings the best you can, then how can you in all good conscience call yourself a Christian if you celebrate a pagan holiday? The fact of the matter is any Christian celebrating Halloween is practicing paganism. Something to think about...
The bible contains more answers than you can believe, but answers can only be found through personal study. Honestly pray to God for help and a way will be opened for you.
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Revelation 21:4 "And [God] will wipe out every tear from their eyes,
and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore.
The former things have passed away."
The Encyclopedia Americana says: “Elements of the customs connected with Halloween can be traced to a Druid [ancient Celtic priesthood] ceremony in pre-Christian times. The Celts had festivals for two major gods—a sun god and a god of the dead . . . , whose festival was held on November 1, the beginning of the Celtic New Year. The festival of the dead was gradually incorporated into Christian ritual.”
Additional References
http://www.history.com/topics/halloween
http://www.jeremiahproject.com/culture/halloween.html
http://www.neopagan.net/Halloween-Origins.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween
Halloween's origins are steeped in Paganism. If you are a Christian and you follow the bible's teachings the best you can, then how can you in all good conscience call yourself a Christian if you celebrate a pagan holiday? The fact of the matter is any Christian celebrating Halloween is practicing paganism. Something to think about...
The bible contains more answers than you can believe, but answers can only be found through personal study. Honestly pray to God for help and a way will be opened for you.
And, of course, the same could be said about Easter and Christmas.
Ummmm.....considering that even many christian conservatives celebrate Halloween, I think the OP might just be the reincarnation of Heinrich Kramer. For those of you who don't know....Kramer was the inquisitor who authored the "Malleus Maleficarum" in the 15th century.
Why does it seem like whackjob christians these days are always trying to out-whack other whackjob christians???
What's next? A whackjob christian who will call for the execution of all those who fart on Sunday or something?
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The Encyclopedia Americana says: “Elements of the customs connected with Halloween can be traced to a Druid [ancient Celtic priesthood] ceremony in pre-Christian times. The Celts had festivals for two major gods—a sun god and a god of the dead . . . , whose festival was held on November 1, the beginning of the Celtic New Year. The festival of the dead was gradually incorporated into Christian ritual.”
Additional References
http://www.history.com/topics/halloween
http://www.jeremiahproject.com/culture/halloween.html
http://www.neopagan.net/Halloween-Origins.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween
Halloween's origins are steeped in Paganism. If you are a Christian and you follow the bible's teachings the best you can, then how can you in all good conscience call yourself a Christian if you celebrate a pagan holiday? The fact of the matter is any Christian celebrating Halloween is practicing paganism. Something to think about...
The bible contains more answers than you can believe, but answers can only be found through personal study. Honestly pray to God for help and a way will be opened for you.
And, of course, the same could be said about Easter and Christmas.
Yes.
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Revelation 21:4 "And [God] will wipe out every tear from their eyes,
and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore.
The former things have passed away."
I've watched at least two fundamentalist guys give a sermon about halloween.
They said it was like celebrating Satan's existance, and that the holiday blindly supported demon worship. "We are poisoning our childrens' minds, by allowing them to think it's ok to dress as Satan, the opposite sex, or a witch."
You can't 'accidentally' practice a religious ritual. (Oops, I tripped and fell on a pagan ritual, how evil of me.) Although customs and pieces of rituals may have been copied, they are not the same.
When kids go door-to-door for candy on Halloween, they say 'trick or treat', which means 'give me candy'. They don't say 'The great god Thor commands that you give me some candy'. They do not look at the candy they've gathered and say 'thank you, Thor, for this candy'.
Veteran's day and Labor day are also non-Christian holidays. Are they evil too?
Can you tell me where the Bible says that anyone celebrating a not-Christian-enough holiday ceases to be a Real Christian?
Can you also tell me how you get the idea that Christmas (a specifically Christian holiday celebrating Christ's birth) or Easter (a specifically Christian holiday celebrating Christ's resurrection) are somehow pagan?
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You can't 'accidentally' practice a religious ritual. (Oops, I tripped and fell on a pagan ritual, how evil of me.) Although customs and pieces of rituals may have been copied, they are not the same.
When kids go door-to-door for candy on Halloween, they say 'trick or treat', which means 'give me candy'. They don't say 'The great god Thor commands that you give me some candy'. They do not look at the candy they've gathered and say 'thank you, Thor, for this candy'.
Veteran's day and Labor day are also non-Christian holidays. Are they evil too?
Can you tell me where the Bible says that anyone celebrating a not-Christian-enough holiday ceases to be a Real Christian?
Can you also tell me how you get the idea that Christmas (a specifically Christian holiday celebrating Christ's birth) or Easter (a specifically Christian holiday celebrating Christ's resurrection) are somehow pagan?
There was originally a celebration of the winter solstice at the time of Christmas. Nobody knows Christ's actual birthday. The Christians decided to take over the winter solstice celebration as Christ's birthday.
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The Encyclopedia Americana says: “Elements of the customs connected with Halloween can be traced to a Druid [ancient Celtic priesthood] ceremony in pre-Christian times. The Celts had festivals for two major gods—a sun god and a god of the dead . . . , whose festival was held on November 1, the beginning of the Celtic New Year. The festival of the dead was gradually incorporated into Christian ritual.”
Additional References
http://www.history.com/topics/halloween
http://www.jeremiahproject.com/culture/halloween.html
http://www.neopagan.net/Halloween-Origins.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween
Halloween's origins are steeped in Paganism. If you are a Christian and you follow the bible's teachings the best you can, then how can you in all good conscience call yourself a Christian if you celebrate a pagan holiday? The fact of the matter is any Christian celebrating Halloween is practicing paganism. Something to think about...
The bible contains more answers than you can believe, but answers can only be found through personal study. Honestly pray to God for help and a way will be opened for you.
CHRISTIANITY'S origins are steeped in Paganism, if not outright plagiarized from it, so I Fail to see the hypocrisy.
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The Encyclopedia Americana says: “Elements of the customs connected with Halloween can be traced to a Druid [ancient Celtic priesthood] ceremony in pre-Christian times. The Celts had festivals for two major gods—a sun god and a god of the dead . . . , whose festival was held on November 1, the beginning of the Celtic New Year. The festival of the dead was gradually incorporated into Christian ritual.”
Additional References
http://www.history.com/topics/halloween
http://www.jeremiahproject.com/culture/halloween.html
http://www.neopagan.net/Halloween-Origins.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween
Halloween's origins are steeped in Paganism. If you are a Christian and you follow the bible's teachings the best you can, then how can you in all good conscience call yourself a Christian if you celebrate a pagan holiday? The fact of the matter is any Christian celebrating Halloween is practicing paganism. Something to think about...
The bible contains more answers than you can believe, but answers can only be found through personal study. Honestly pray to God for help and a way will be opened for you.
CHRISTIANITY'S origins are steeped in Paganism, if not outright plagiarized from it, so I Fail to see the hypocrisy.
The Bible itself isn't steeped in Paganism. People sit in their churches every Sunday and blindly listen and believe whatever their pastors and priests teach them; generally all of it is pagan in origin. If people actually did their own personal study of the Bible, as well as researched the origins of celebrations and holidays they participate in, they would realize all of them are not only false but not scriptural. In other words the Bible itself is infallible. It is man who distorted and twisted God's Word. Worldly Man. Not God. That's the key.
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The former things have passed away."
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I posted my findings. It's between you and God in how you will proceed, but tread carefully if you now know the origins is Halloween is pagan and you continue to celebrate it. It is not only detestable to God but unscriptural. You can use your intellect and scriptures to find a morale answer.
Can you tell me where the Bible says that anyone celebrating a not-Christian-enough holiday ceases to be a Real Christian?
Can you also tell me how you get the idea that Christmas (a specifically Christian holiday celebrating Christ's birth) or Easter (a specifically Christian holiday celebrating Christ's resurrection) are somehow pagan?
Those are all questions for another time and other threads, and specifically when I have the time to research them properly.
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Revelation 21:4 "And [God] will wipe out every tear from their eyes,
and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore.
The former things have passed away."
I posted my findings. It's between you and God in how you will proceed, but tread carefully if you now know the origins is Halloween is pagan and you continue to celebrate it. It is not only detestable to God but unscriptural. You can use your intellect and scriptures to find a morale answer.
Can you tell me where the Bible says that anyone celebrating a not-Christian-enough holiday ceases to be a Real Christian?
Can you also tell me how you get the idea that Christmas (a specifically Christian holiday celebrating Christ's birth) or Easter (a specifically Christian holiday celebrating Christ's resurrection) are somehow pagan?
Those are all questions for another time and other threads, and specifically when I have the time to research them properly.
What about Christianity being rooted in Judaism? Or how about Jesus being a great deal like the old Roman god Mithras? Christianity cherry-picked thingsl from earlier religions. Its an old Roman trick called syncretism. Same reason that Christmas and Easter line up neatly with pagan festivals. Besides nobody yet has managed to summon the lord of the flies from over-indulging in cheap sweets, I suspect that Christianity as a whole is not in any particular danger from Halloween. It wasn't in any danger at the height of the Inquisition or the Albigensian heresy either.
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Im a conservative Christian, i dont have too much of a problem with halloween as it is practiced today. if i had a kid, i would educate him about the pagan roots of halloween, but explain to him that dressing up as darth vader and getting candy is far from satanic. i would not allow him to dress as a demon, devil, or any occult thing, but going door to door for candy has become an american tradition.
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Going on that logic celebrating Christmas on December 25th is evil as well, that was an adaptation made by an emperor to make Christianity more palatable to Pagan's since December 25th was a big holiday for them.
On the other hand - if God is omniscient, omnipotent, etc. that also means that not a single thing - ever - has budged an inch without him willing it so, as every action and reaction has been a train of dominoes leading out from the big bang. With that in mind much of this becomes a moot point as any change of course that Christianity or public culture, or other religions, or atheism even, has been 100% his doing.
Going door-to-door for sweets isn't a tradition here, although some children copy the American tradition and do it. It was basically a non-festival here until the 1960s. Some neo-pagans celebrate Samhain - but my boyfriend's a technopagan and can't be bothered.
We've always had the Harvest festival, which is I suppose pagan in the very limited sense that it celebrates the bounty of the earth. When I was a kid in Catholic school we used to use it as a time to give unwanted tins of beans to homeless people. We had All-Soul's Day, which I used to personally wish was more like the Mexican day of the dead. I just like the skulls and the gaudy colours.
Valentine's Day coincides with Roman Lupercalia, but Lupercalia was nothing like Valentine's.
I think people make such a fuss about festivals having pagan origins because festivals were important to pagans - but not so much to Christians. The Roman Empire after Christianisation realised that people still need festivals; so they just came up with Christian reasons to celebrate the old festivals.
I'm not a Christian anymore, but I don't think Jesus would care if you had a seasonal party (which is what the festivals have become, since the religious/pagan connotations have been removed). According to the Bible, he showed up at parties and turned water into wine.
well, Christianity has some pagan influences anyway, really, if some christians attempt to get rid of some stuff because of pagan origin, as few denominations do, then they should renounce Christianity, and turn into either Judaism or become like 1st-2nd century Jewish-christians as they would not have been bastardized by the roman empire yet.
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