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10 Sep 2010, 2:08 pm

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I didn't really get all the details, but someone should tell this Terry Jones person that even if the burning was canceled/suspended/whatever, he would be at least partially responsible for future terrorist attacks. That was just dumb on his part, adding fuel to the fire.

No, he wouldn't. He's a dick, but Muslim terrorists are the people responsible for Muslim terrorist attacks. "He burned a book at me" is not reasonable grounds for murder.

Islam cannot be antagonised. Islam is inherently antagonistic. :evil:

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10 Sep 2010, 2:16 pm

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menintights wrote:

i'd say the same thing about christianity - it is definitely inherently antagonistic. as i said in other threads, christian terrorists are pretty scary:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

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10 Sep 2010, 2:47 pm

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No, he wouldn't. He's a dick, but Muslim terrorists are the people responsible for Muslim terrorist attacks. "He burned a book at me" is not reasonable grounds for murder.

Sure, the Muslim terrorists are responsible for what they do. But if they now shift their focus from "destroying the U.S." to "assassinating American priests," you really wouldn't think it has absolutely nothing to do with Terry Jones being a pastor?

I don't understand how some people get all offended by the silliest things but insist that Muslims who aren't involved in the terrorism shouldn't take the Islamophobia personally. Srsly.

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10 Sep 2010, 2:50 pm

hyperlexian wrote:

Ambivalence wrote:

menintights wrote:

i'd say the same thing about christianity - it is definitely inherently antagonistic. as i said in other threads, christian terrorists are pretty scary:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

The world would be so much better off if the Christian and Muslim extremists and terrorists would just wander together in a desert with unholy amounts of weaponry - wiping each other out in the process for a more civilized world.

Instead they have to drag the rest of the world into their mess.

As for Mr. Jones the Fla. nutter - can he? Yes. Should he? No.

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10 Sep 2010, 3:03 pm

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the blame should lie squarely on the one who committed the murderous act. or do you support the beliefs that were brought up in some cases where kids who killed others, or even themselves, were influenced by slayer or other forms of "satanic music".

muslims should in turn take culture sensitivity training like they do with immigrants to the netherlands. we are afforded the ability to do things that can and will offend others. it just seems that pissing off and irritating christians is far more acceptable than with muslims.

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uhm, would you mind throwing in a couple of radical hindu groups in there as well?

anyways, the end result would probably just result in another taliban-like state.

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10 Sep 2010, 3:14 pm

oscuria wrote:

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uhm, would you mind throwing in a couple of radical hindu groups in there as well?

anyways, the end result would probably just result in another taliban-like state.

I would hope not, that society can one day advance beyond "my god is better than your god" squabbles.

Unfortunately that won't be any time in my life.

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10 Sep 2010, 3:40 pm

Someone already did it.

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10 Sep 2010, 3:52 pm

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Someone already did it.

thank you for that LOL moment!! !! !

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10 Sep 2010, 4:23 pm

A Qur'an in every pot topic

Now the Jones joker has decided to go to New York on the weekend, and will not be at his church.

Face saving? Now this master at word play has decided to postpone the burning. :roll: Not suspended, as this was yesterday's word. :roll: :roll: :roll:

But they may well be a burning by the Westboro Baptist church. Remember Fred Phelps?

Send a bus full of the cast members from Little Mosque on the Prairie and protest outside his church!!

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10 Sep 2010, 5:03 pm

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Not suspended, as this was yesterday's word. :roll:

But they may well be a burning by the Westboro Baptist church. Remember Fred Phelps?

Send a bus full of the cast members from Little Mosque on the Prairie and protest outside his church!!

do my spidey senses detect a fellow canuck?

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10 Sep 2010, 7:35 pm

menintights wrote:

I don't understand how some people get all offended by the silliest things but insist that Muslims who aren't involved in the terrorism shouldn't take the Islamophobia personally. Srsly.

Most people don't go quite so far off the deep end in taking things personally. I can buy the argument about not offending moderate Muslims who haven't done anything, but I bristle at the suggestion that the feelings of not so moderate Muslims be in any way considered as a reason not to do something. I take the attitude that if someone is of the mindset that the only thing between them and mass murder is some foreigner halfway around the world's choice of kindling material, I'd rather flush their ass into the open now rather than have to deal with them later.

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10 Sep 2010, 9:57 pm

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menintights wrote:

I don't understand how some people get all offended by the silliest things but insist that Muslims who aren't involved in the terrorism shouldn't take the Islamophobia personally. Srsly.

Yeah...I don't think the extremists should be considered and it's why I hated how Petreus and Obama covered it. They could have responded in a much more effective, much simpler way: "Do you think it'd be fair to arrange a burning of bibles for the anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing? No? Then treat our fellow citizens who are Muslim and not a fringe lunatic group with the same civility."

I'm just strongly opposed to it personally because, to me, it represents too generalized of a call to war against a certain sect of humanity. Burning books like that just strikes me as something as extremist as the people who committed 9/11...just lazier.

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10 Sep 2010, 10:42 pm

hyperlexian wrote:

sartresue wrote:

Not suspended, as this was yesterday's word. :roll:

But they may well be a burning by the Westboro Baptist church. Remember Fred Phelps?

Send a bus full of the cast members from Little Mosque on the Prairie and protest outside his church!!

do my spidey senses detect a fellow canuck?

We're everywhere.

Sartresue is an AWESOME Canuck though.

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10 Sep 2010, 10:57 pm

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Then treat our fellow citizens who are Muslim and not a fringe lunatic group with the same civility."

I think if we had 'White' Americans who identified themselves as a Christian sect, but they basically quoted much of their dogma from the Koran and Jihadists..... and they built a church compound or whatever, the FBI would follow them obsessively even if they tried to isolate themselves, and the government would eventually raid them like the Branch Davidians at Waco.

The point is that even the 'fringe lunatic jihadist Muslims' can go about doing whatever publically, and the government desperately tries not to offend those people. If it was White Christian cultural-Americans who were forumlating terrorist dogma, the Government would spare no effort to repress them, no matter how badly other Christians may be offended by the crushing of their bretheren. This is because Christians in the west don't generally launch violent protests, while Muslims often do.

I think if a bunch of white people in America copied much of the Koran verbatum, and disguised themselves as a Christian sect with an actual church, the Government would be all over their case. The Government would do whatever it takes or took to crush a group of white people who wished to separate themeselves from the system or begin such a movement.

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10 Sep 2010, 11:02 pm

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But if they now shift their focus from "destroying the U.S." to "assassinating American priests," you really wouldn't think it has absolutely nothing to do with Terry Jones being a pastor?

I must have missed this part earlier. Are you saying that this is going to make AQ leave the rest of us alone and start exclusively whacking ministers and bishops and such instead? Well damn, we should have arranged this years ago, if we could figure out how to "suggest" which ministers were particularly worthy of jihad, this could be a real win/win. I hear Fred Phelps might even be trying to horn in on this book BBQ action, maybe we could convince him that he and his congregation need to take that message directly to the infidels where they live, I know I'd pitch in for plane tickets..

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11 Sep 2010, 7:15 am

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Then treat our fellow citizens who are Muslim and not a fringe lunatic group with the same civility."

This kind of tolerance and forbearance will cease with the next "9/11". Recall what American born persons of Japanese ancestry suffered after Pearl Harbor. Once Americans catch on that we are in a war of survival perhaps their attitudes will harden. This is a war in which at most one party will remain standing. The Ummah is out to get us. Jews in particular, but Americans in general.

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