Do you agree with excommunicating women priests?

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pgd
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14 Sep 2010, 9:33 am

Do you agree with Rome (a foreign country) and strongly believe in excommunicating women priests?

Also, women presidents, women vice-presidents, women Popes, women senators, women heads of states, women prime ministers women secretary-of-states?

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Rome's logic system:

Gods are good; Goddesses are evil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goddess
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nefertiti
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen

Do you agree with excommunicating male astronomers who believe the earth revolves around the sun?

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Black Sheep Roster - Mormon Church Resignations Excommunications - LDS
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14 Sep 2010, 10:11 am

Well I haven only been to church a few times in my life but I'm "technically" a Lutheran and I believe they ordain women.

And presuming I agree with them, I would have 0 issue voting for a woman president, vice president, whatever.



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14 Sep 2010, 12:25 pm

pgd wrote:
Do you agree with Rome (a foreign country) and strongly believe in excommunicating women priests?


If you are going to use invective, then at least use it correctly. Rome is not a foreign country, Rome is a city within Italy. The Vatican City is a foreign country, but the Vatican City has nothing to say on the subject of women priests (nor does the Holy See, for that matter).

The prohibition against ordaining women, and the penalty of excommunication for so doing (or allowing it to be done) is a matter of Canon Law, enunciated by the Popes exercising their personal authority.

Supposing that you mean, "Rome," to be a metonym for "Canon Law," it is still a fallacy to suggest that agreement with Rome is the logical equivalent of, "stongly believe in excommunicating women priests." One can have a belief that ordination of women is not provided for in scripture without a belief in that particular penalty for undertaking an unauthorized ordination.

Suffice it to say, however, that not being a Roman Catholic, my opinion on the question is entirely irrelevant, and is a matter for members of the Church to take up with relevant authorities.

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Also, women presidents, women vice-presidents, women Popes, women senators, women heads of states, women prime ministers women secretary-of-states?


Other than, "Popes," no other official in this list comes within the ambit of the Roman Catholic church's teachings on the role of women.

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Rome's logic system:

Gods are good; Goddesses are evil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goddess
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nefertiti
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen


It seems to me that "Rome's" logic system sets out that the Trinity is the only divinity. Male identified deities from other belief systems are just as heretical as female deities.

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Do you agree with excommunicating male astronomers who believe the earth revolves around the sun?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/galileo/

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Bit of a moot question, really, since the Church has revised its position on heliocentricity.

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Excommunication

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints ("LDS Church"; see also Mormon) practices excommunication (as well as the lesser sanctions of private ...
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excommunication - Cached - Similar

Black Sheep Roster - Mormon Church Resignations Excommunications - LDS
List or roster of Ex-Mormons who have resigned or been excommunicated for the LDS Church.
www.salamandersociety.com/blacksheep/ - Cached - Similar

(Google)

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Is there a question in here, or is this merely a random collection of thoughts.

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National Women's Hall of Fame
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Now that we have changed the subject to something more meaningful, I am happy to celebrate the achievements of any people, whether they be women, Catholics, Mormons or astronomers.


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14 Sep 2010, 12:52 pm

Do you agree with Rome (a foreign country) and strongly believe in excommunicating women priests?

Excommunication is a religious censure used to deprive or suspend membership in a religious community. The word means putting [someone] out of communion. ...
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List of people excommunicated by the Roman Catholic Church ...
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The topic of excommunications of women priests and burning heretics at the stake are valid, meaningful topics (part of world history).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pe ... s_heretics
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Trying to rewrite history and pretend women have not been excommunicated or heretics have not been burned at the stake is incorrect.

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http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_off ... tnerships/

Susan Brownell Anthony (February 15, 1820 – March 13, 1906) was a prominent American civil rights leader who played a pivotal role in the 19th century women's rights movement to introduce women's suffrage into the United States. She traveled the United States, and Europe, and gave 75 to 100 speeches every year on women's rights for 45 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_B._Anthony

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King,_Jr



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14 Sep 2010, 1:03 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Well I haven only been to church a few times in my life but I'm "technically" a Lutheran and I believe they ordain women.

And presuming I agree with them, I would have 0 issue voting for a woman president, vice president, whatever.


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Yes, that's true. Lutherans have ordained women priests.



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14 Sep 2010, 2:22 pm

pgd wrote:
Do you agree with Rome (a foreign country) and strongly believe in excommunicating women priests?

no


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14 Sep 2010, 2:35 pm

Vatican City is a foreign country. Rome is a city within a different foreign country. Also, the Vatican can't be excommunicating women: they have no authority over sects that ordain women.

Please stop with the spammy topics.


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14 Sep 2010, 2:42 pm

skafather84 wrote:
Vatican City is a foreign country. Rome is a city within a different foreign country. Also, the Vatican can't be excommunicating women: they have no authority over sects that ordain women...


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What you report does not match what both the UK Telegraph and NY Daily News have said:

Pope says Vatican will excommunicate women priests - Telegraph
May 30, 2008 ... The Vatican has issued its most explicit decree so far against the ordination of women priests, vowing to punish them and the bishops who ...
www.telegraph.co.uk/.../Pope-says-Vatican-will-

Vatican: Excommunication for women priests
May 30, 2008 ... The Vatican is slamming the door on attempts by women to become priests in the Roman Catholic Church.
www.nydailynews.com/.../2008-05-30_vati ... riest.html

(Google - 09-14-2010)



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14 Sep 2010, 2:54 pm

pgd wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Vatican City is a foreign country. Rome is a city within a different foreign country. Also, the Vatican can't be excommunicating women: they have no authority over sects that ordain women...


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What you report does not match what the UK Telegraph has said:

Pope says Vatican will excommunicate women priests - Telegraph
May 30, 2008 ... The Vatican has issued its most explicit decree so far against the ordination of women priests, vowing to punish them and the bishops who ...
www.telegraph.co.uk/.../Pope-says-Vatican-will-

(Google - 09-14-2010)


Your link doesn't work.


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14 Sep 2010, 3:58 pm

pgd wrote:
The topic of excommunications of women priests and burning heretics at the stake are valid, meaningful topics (part of world history).


Well, first of all, let's separate the two issues: excommunication and burning of heretics.

As for excommunication, that is the privilege of any closed, private organization. I may not agree with your reasons for doing so, and I may deplore the consequences of your action--but if I am an outsider I have no say in the matter, and if I am an insider, I am bound by the rules of membership.

Don't like the Church's teachings? Find a church whose teachings are more in line with your views.

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Trying to rewrite history and pretend women have not been excommunicated or heretics have not been burned at the stake is incorrect.


I agree. But another moot point, as no one seems to be trying to do that in this thread.

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http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_off ... tnerships/

Susan Brownell Anthony (February 15, 1820 – March 13, 1906) was a prominent American civil rights leader who played a pivotal role in the 19th century women's rights movement to introduce women's suffrage into the United States. She traveled the United States, and Europe, and gave 75 to 100 speeches every year on women's rights for 45 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_B._Anthony

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King,_Jr


Good for her. But what's the relevance?
King is also worthy of celebration. But, again, what's the relevance.

If you are going to start a discussion, keep it relevant.


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14 Sep 2010, 4:22 pm

No.


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14 Sep 2010, 4:25 pm

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No.

That's exactly what I said!
I like your style.


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22 Sep 2010, 1:18 pm

A priest of women? Where can I sign up?