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24 Nov 2010, 2:00 pm

A window pane is invisible. Is the invisible God as real as a window pane?



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24 Nov 2010, 3:00 pm

A window pane is not invisible.



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24 Nov 2010, 3:02 pm

Janissy wrote:
A window pane is not invisible.


True. I've only see a bird fly into one once, maybe twice in my whole life. :)



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24 Nov 2010, 3:02 pm

I reject your premise.


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24 Nov 2010, 4:15 pm

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A window pane is invisible. Is the invisible God as real as a window pane?


A window pane is detectable by physical means. God is not. Which means either God is stealthy or God does not exist.

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24 Nov 2010, 4:26 pm

Because of course there is no possible means of detecting an extant Ding save the physical means built into us or those built so far by us.



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24 Nov 2010, 4:54 pm

as for these invisible window panes, i will believe they exist when i see one.



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24 Nov 2010, 5:03 pm

wornlight wrote:
as for these invisible window panes, i will believe they exist when i see one.


I once walked into (and through) a plate glass door which was extremely clean. Fortunately I suffered only minor cuts.

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24 Nov 2010, 8:04 pm

Since God is as transparent as a window pane I was rushing down the street a while back and bumped very hard into God and He shattered but luckily I suffered only a few minor bruises.



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24 Nov 2010, 8:15 pm

God is the window pain. God's the mind of the universe and all physical laws of matter.



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24 Nov 2010, 9:30 pm

JNathanK wrote:
God is the window pain. God's the mind of the universe and all physical laws of matter.


And do you pray to gravity or electromagnetism or the strong or weak force. Do they whisper strange things in your ear and change your water to wine?



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24 Nov 2010, 9:38 pm

Sand wrote:
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God is the window pain. God's the mind of the universe and all physical laws of matter.


And do you pray to gravity or electromagnetism or the strong or weak force. Do they whisper strange things in your ear and change your water to wine?


No, I don't really pray to anything. I just appreciate life and respect myself and other people. I don't really believe God is conscious in the same way we are. In fact, I think were just direct manifestations of God and that were the most able appendage of God to solve our own problems. Sucking up to some man in the sky to help you win the lottery is just an act of desperation. God is the forest, and were the trees in my view. Lowering yourself before God isn't a good way, at all, of worshiping him. The best way to honor God is to treat each other right and love others as you love yourself.



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24 Nov 2010, 9:41 pm

JNathanK wrote:
Sand wrote:
JNathanK wrote:
God is the window pain. God's the mind of the universe and all physical laws of matter.


And do you pray to gravity or electromagnetism or the strong or weak force. Do they whisper strange things in your ear and change your water to wine?


No, I don't really pray to anything. I just appreciate life and respect myself and other people. I don't really believe God is conscious in the same way we are. In fact, I think were just direct manifestations of God and that were the most able appendage of God to solve our own problems. Sucking up to some man in the sky to help you win the lottery is just an act of desperation. God is the forest, and were the trees in my view.


No problem. It's just semantics or some antics. You call it God, I call it the forest.



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24 Nov 2010, 10:02 pm

Sand wrote:
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Sand wrote:
JNathanK wrote:
God is the window pain. God's the mind of the universe and all physical laws of matter.


And do you pray to gravity or electromagnetism or the strong or weak force. Do they whisper strange things in your ear and change your water to wine?


No, I don't really pray to anything. I just appreciate life and respect myself and other people. I don't really believe God is conscious in the same way we are. In fact, I think were just direct manifestations of God and that were the most able appendage of God to solve our own problems. Sucking up to some man in the sky to help you win the lottery is just an act of desperation. God is the forest, and were the trees in my view.


No problem. It's just semantics or some antics. You call it God, I call it the forest.
Well, I don't think its just semantics. I believe that everything really does have life to it. I don't think were just islands of consciousness in a sea of nothingness, because I think the whole universe is conscious. I figure our brains are matter, were conscious, so the matter has some sort of conscious component to it. Since all matter functions off the same rules and all matter, at least, contains a conscious potential to it, I think the homogeneous way all units of matter act in concert is evidence that there's one single mind to all of it, but for some reason, its fractaly dispersed in the existence we find ourselves. I think its a singularity or a single consciousness entangled or folded in on itself.

Yah, the forest could be a conceptual encapsulation of all the individual trees, but they have common properties. They're all made up of the same matter that functions off the same rules, they're all apart of a dependent ecosystem, and the trees of the same species exchange pollen and reproduce. There's a lot there that doesn't make "forest" just an arbitrary term.



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24 Nov 2010, 10:51 pm

JNathanK wrote:
Well, I don't think its just semantics. I believe that everything really does have life to it. I don't think were just islands of consciousness in a sea of nothingness, because I think the whole universe is conscious. I figure our brains are matter, were conscious, so the matter has some sort of conscious component to it. Since all matter functions off the same rules and all matter, at least, contains a conscious potential to it, I think the homogeneous way all units of matter act in concert is evidence that there's one single mind to all of it, but for some reason, its fractaly dispersed in the existence we find ourselves. I think its a singularity or a single consciousness entangled or folded in on itself.

Yah, the forest could be a conceptual encapsulation of all the individual trees, but they have common properties. They're all made up of the same matter that functions off the same rules, they're all apart of a dependent ecosystem, and the trees of the same species exchange pollen and reproduce. There's a lot there that doesn't make "forest" just an arbitrary term.


How do you define consciousness? How is that not semantics when you say we are conscious but no more conscious that a rock?



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24 Nov 2010, 11:46 pm

01001011 wrote:
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Well, I don't think its just semantics. I believe that everything really does have life to it. I don't think were just islands of consciousness in a sea of nothingness, because I think the whole universe is conscious. I figure our brains are matter, were conscious, so the matter has some sort of conscious component to it. Since all matter functions off the same rules and all matter, at least, contains a conscious potential to it, I think the homogeneous way all units of matter act in concert is evidence that there's one single mind to all of it, but for some reason, its fractaly dispersed in the existence we find ourselves. I think its a singularity or a single consciousness entangled or folded in on itself.

Yah, the forest could be a conceptual encapsulation of all the individual trees, but they have common properties. They're all made up of the same matter that functions off the same rules, they're all apart of a dependent ecosystem, and the trees of the same species exchange pollen and reproduce. There's a lot there that doesn't make "forest" just an arbitrary term.


How do you define consciousness? How is that not semantics when you say we are conscious but no more conscious that a rock?


Of course rocks are conscious. When you throw one it very skillfully describes a parabola. I accidentally spilled some alcohol on a rock and then threw it . Instead of a parabola it twisted into a few spirals, made a loop de loop and flew into orbit. Obviously it was drunk.