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Philologos
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14 Dec 2010, 2:22 am

Upon mature consideration, I have determined in the interest of my soul and sanity to participate in no more discussions of the existence of God or debates on the validity or otherwise of Christianity or any other religion.

I am content to remain a vile and miserable dupe, believing that there IS an intelligent if not alays intelligible to us divine entity and that the Nicene Christian formulation comes as close to truth as is possible here. Leave me to my pitiful oppressed existence, if you know better; save the souls of beings more deserving of liberation from the clutches of the Church.

And I will try not to envy your God-like - excuse me, material-like march to the heights of the Theory of Everything. Certainly I will not try - without specific orders or invitation - to show you what God has not seen fit to make clear.

I WILL happily discuss matters of general interest such as the Eucharist, the Paradox of Predestination, what certain holidays actually mean, Nada on the Mountain, and all like that there, where a productive exchange of views might just happen.

AND of course, I reserve the right to point a finger at some of the more wildly ignorant statements that appear from time to time in the debates I will not be joining.



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14 Dec 2010, 9:50 am

Cool story bro.



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14 Dec 2010, 10:14 am

Dalton_Man321 wrote:
Cool story bro.
ROFL



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14 Dec 2010, 10:16 am

@Philologos

That is quite understandable. The same issues seem to be discussed here on a regular basis when in reality there is little to add.


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14 Dec 2010, 11:42 am

You could just extract a "Best of 91 versus Awesomely Glorious" compilation and reference it each time.

But hey, I will bet your professional association meets chew the cud as much as mine.



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14 Dec 2010, 12:06 pm

I concur with your decision. Discussion and arguments in theology are futile and a waste of time.

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14 Dec 2010, 12:15 pm

ruveyn wrote:
I concur with your decision. Discussion and arguments in theology are futile and a waste of time.

ruveyn


Only if you want to settle something. If you enjoy mental acrobatics with clowns it can be fun.



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14 Dec 2010, 12:17 pm

Sand wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
I concur with your decision. Discussion and arguments in theology are futile and a waste of time.

ruveyn


Only if you want to settle something. If you enjoy mental acrobatics with clowns it can be fun.


Perhaps, but after a while even that kind of fun and games wear thin.

ruveyn



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14 Dec 2010, 12:23 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Sand wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
I concur with your decision. Discussion and arguments in theology are futile and a waste of time.

ruveyn


Only if you want to settle something. If you enjoy mental acrobatics with clowns it can be fun.


Perhaps, but after a while even that kind of fun and games wear thin.

ruveyn


It's been going on for years here. Like monomolecular carbon sheet it's thin but durable.



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14 Dec 2010, 9:34 pm

You gotta pick your fights.

Ive always had the philosophy that you just now announced that you are adopting: of just focusing on small interesting questions and avoiding being "a strident fill-in-the-blank" who makes pointless frontal partisan assaults on other folks core beliefs.

But even when you think you're keeping it light you can ingite a firestorm of debate.

On another website i commented in a joking way about something another poster said about an event in the news.
He responded with a several page long bareknuckled angry dissertation complete with statistics etc. showing that he had been grinding that particular axe in private for a long time and I had just tripped into his mental hornets nest!.

On one hand if I said nothing in reply it would look to him like he won ( i cant allow that).

His essay was long on quantity but was low on rhetorical quality and could easily be refuted.

But on the other hand if I did resond- then the discussion would degenerate into a "who's holocaust was worse" type of debate that would make both of us look like petty idiots to the rest of website. And, it wouldve eaten alot of time as well.

So, I chose not to respond. Like I said- you gotta pick your fights.
But even then dont be surprised if you still get drawn into the vortex!



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14 Dec 2010, 9:48 pm

Yeah - that is how it was with my brother - tried to keep it on a high plane - - constantly tempted to toss stuff back. Took a lot to cut it off because of the That Way he Wins Syndrome - the only way I stuck in academia as long as I did was unwillingness to give them the satisfaction.

It takes willpower - but I have had a lot of practice not being drawn.



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14 Dec 2010, 9:48 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
You gotta pick your fights.

Ive always had the philosophy that you just now announced that you are adopting: of just focusing on small interesting questions and avoiding being "a strident fill-in-the-blank" who makes pointless frontal partisan assaults on other folks core beliefs.

But even when you think you're keeping it light you can ingite a firestorm of debate.

On another website i commented in a joking way about something another poster said about an event in the news.
He responded with a several page long bareknuckled angry dissertation complete with statistics etc. showing that he had been grinding that particular axe in private for a long time and I had just tripped into his mental hornets nest!.

On one hand if I said nothing in reply it would look to him like he won ( i cant allow that).

His essay was long on quantity but was low on rhetorical quality and could easily be refuted.

But on the other hand if I did resond- then the discussion would degenerate into a "who's holocaust was worse" type of debate that would make both of us look like petty idiots to the rest of website. And, it wouldve eaten alot of time as well.

So, I chose not to respond. Like I said- you gotta pick your fights.
But even then dont be surprised if you still get drawn into the vortex!



To consider these religious discussions as contests or debates with points won or lost is a bit silly. Religious dogma and popular religious conceptions are made of such fragile nonsense that the exercises here are more in the nature of kicking over clumsily built snowmen than discovering the nature of reality. It's all just exuberant elemental fun and nothing is to be gained but a bit of working off excess energy.



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14 Dec 2010, 10:26 pm

Well, we are Aspies. What can one expect?



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14 Dec 2010, 10:40 pm

One could expect - and from some one finds - a greater than average frequency of dispassionate factual discussion, with of course variation in the accuracy of the facts.

And yet there is a lot of the spirit of Nyaa Nyaa.



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14 Dec 2010, 10:43 pm

Philologos wrote:
One could expect - and from some one finds - a greater than average frequency of dispassionate factual discussion, with of course variation in the accuracy of the facts.

And yet there is a lot of the spirit of Nyaa Nyaa.


The so-called "facts" in religious discussions based on declared dogmas as so full of biased speculative nonsense that there is no way to evoke much reality out of the whole business.



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14 Dec 2010, 11:53 pm

Philologos wrote:
Upon mature consideration, I have determined in the interest of my soul and sanity to participate in no more discussions of the existence of God or debates on the validity or otherwise of Christianity or any other religion.

I know you attempted to rebut my teleological point earlier, but I am not sure you have been as intensely involved in such discussions as other individuals.

Even further, you seem to put a lot of stress on the arrogance of the other side. Couldn't this claim of arrogance itself be a dialogue stifling form of arrogance on your part? Note: I am not saying I don't have my flaws in these conversations either. I think huge clashes are due to misunderstanding, and high degrees of arrogance and conviction from both sides.