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27 Nov 2010, 10:28 am

In an effort to make American History "more inclusive" to black students, I think it would be a good idea to alter the history books and re-present a few of the early American presidents as black men.

With names like Washington, Jefferson, and Jackson, they couldn't have been white, now could they?

The best way would be to use computer-editing to remove the white faces from those official portraits, and add/replace with suitable black faces, but retain the powdered wigs, knee-breeches, etc. of the original portrait, to make it really look like black men were running the show.

This would give underprivileged students a number of role models and all of that......... I am all about editing history to follow the latest PC trends.



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27 Nov 2010, 10:35 am

Only one problem, okay, actually two:

The founding fathers weren't black, and history is supposed to be about facts. If you're not going to teach actual history, why even bother?

Second, Washington and Jefferson owned slaves. But, I don't know how many school history books will tell you that. There's something really messed up about portraying them as people that they supported being enslaved.



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27 Nov 2010, 11:02 am

alicedress wrote:
Only one problem, okay, actually two:

The founding fathers weren't black, and history is supposed to be about facts. If you're not going to teach actual history, why even bother?

Second, Washington and Jefferson owned slaves. But, I don't know how many school history books will tell you that. There's something really messed up about portraying them as people that they supported being enslaved.


That fact is in just about every book on American history I have ever read.

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27 Nov 2010, 11:22 am

In any case, slave-holding, -trading, and the rest are NOT the exclusive prerogative of Caucasians. Not even in North America.



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27 Nov 2010, 11:28 am

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In any case, slave-holding, -trading, and the rest are NOT the exclusive prerogative of Caucasians. Not even in North America.


Uh, I don't think anyone is saying that.



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27 Nov 2010, 2:14 pm

What a cynical thread. Like, mean cynical.


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28 Nov 2010, 5:00 pm

The cutoff point for "mean cynical" being?



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28 Nov 2010, 6:03 pm

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The cutoff point for "mean cynical" being?


cynical is saying a team will lose. mean cynical is saying a team will lose because their quarterback is black.


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28 Nov 2010, 9:55 pm

So what is "they will lose because the quarterback is a lush"?



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28 Nov 2010, 10:21 pm

Well, you need to have also one native American, a christian, a mormon, a jew, women (at least half of them to be really fair)... also and for some people: a gay one.
And write "and they lived happily ever after"

History is a Human Science. If you want to rewrite it in another way, everybody will rewrite it the way they want and nobody will know the facts.

Some people want more fairness now. Not only trying to put lies in the past won't solve anything, but it may give those people the idea you want to get rid of their current claims by just changing a few lines in a book.


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28 Nov 2010, 11:54 pm

SuperApsie wrote:
Well, you need to have also one native American, a christian, a mormon, a jew, women (at least half of them to be really fair)... also and for some people: a gay one.
And write "and they lived happily ever after"

History is a Human Science. If you want to rewrite it in another way, everybody will rewrite it the way they want and nobody will know the facts.

Some people want more fairness now. Not only trying to put lies in the past won't solve anything, but it may give those people the idea you want to get rid of their current claims by just changing a few lines in a book.


Well, back to my commentary on the mean and cynical nature of the post, I'm just stricken as that this topic is written by some backwards racist who wants to whine about things now. I mean the comment "With names like Washington, Jefferson, and Jackson, they couldn't have been white, now could they?" just strikes me as straight up insultingly racist and derogatory rather less all the hyperbole in the rest of it.

Racists f**k off.


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29 Nov 2010, 1:22 am

skafather84 wrote:
SuperApsie wrote:
Well, you need to have also one native American, a christian, a mormon, a jew, women (at least half of them to be really fair)... also and for some people: a gay one.
And write "and they lived happily ever after"

History is a Human Science. If you want to rewrite it in another way, everybody will rewrite it the way they want and nobody will know the facts.

Some people want more fairness now. Not only trying to put lies in the past won't solve anything, but it may give those people the idea you want to get rid of their current claims by just changing a few lines in a book.


Well, back to my commentary on the mean and cynical nature of the post, I'm just stricken as that this topic is written by some backwards racist who wants to whine about things now. I mean the comment "With names like Washington, Jefferson, and Jackson, they couldn't have been white, now could they?" just strikes me as straight up insultingly racist and derogatory rather less all the hyperbole in the rest of it.

Racists f**k off.

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29 Nov 2010, 5:18 am

The main reason these surnames are popular in the African American community was because it was their slave masters surname. Let's take a look at the statistics.

Surname Washington has 163,036 people with that last name, with 89.87% being black, and 5.16% being white.

Surname Jefferson has 51,361 people, with 75,24% being black and 18.72% being white.

Surname Jackson has 666,125 people, with 53.02% being black and 41.93% being white.

While, a commonly racially biased name like "Jones" people may assume belongs to an African American while Jones is actually comprised of 57.69% white, as opposed to only 37.73% black.

Let me say that only a small portion of America is actually black by the percentage% - only about 12.5% of the nation is African American, we have more Hispanics.

Now I can understand racial epitomes in statistics and how proportion's of certain stats reflect disparity in living conditions, poverty, and what have you .. that may cause more racial tensions.. but, I feel we should help the least fortunate in society instead of letting it grow. Global Poverty has Doubled since the 1970's. could this be a reflection showing in America ? I know quite a few educated African American's and they don't hold up to the BET stereotype, although unfortunately many youth black or whites end up viewing negative characters and become influenced by them in negative ways.



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29 Nov 2010, 11:11 am

Just tell the truth. Half of the founding fathers were able to become founding fathers because made fortunes built on African slave labor, the other half because they made fortunes in industries like shipping and textile manutacturing which were largely based on slavery and the slave trade.

That pretty much "Africanizes" the founding fathers already.



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29 Nov 2010, 11:13 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Just tell the truth. Half of the founding fathers were able to become founding fathers because made fortunes built on African slave labor, the other half because they made fortunes in industries like shipping and textile manutacturing which were largely based on slavery and the slave trade.

That pretty much "Africanizes" the founding fathers already.


Ben Franklin had nothing to do whatsoever with the slave trade. he made his fortune publishing books and newsletters and possibly a bit from inventing stuff.

John Adams had nothing to do with the slave trade. He hated the institution down to his toenails and bone marrow. John Adams made his money as a lawyer.

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29 Nov 2010, 11:20 am

I have it on good authority as well that Jefferson loved the Brown Sugar.

Just saying.

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