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28 Nov 2010, 8:50 am

what are the ethical issues in the entertainment industry?
I am trying to critically review the concepts of ethics, morality, accountability and social responsibility as they apply to entertainment industry?

Oscar Wilde wrote, in
The Picture of Dorian Gray:

"No artist has ethical sympathies. An ethical sympathy in an artist is an unpardonable mannerism of style."



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28 Nov 2010, 8:57 am

CherryB wrote:
what are the ethical issues in the entertainment industry?
I am trying to critically review the concepts of ethics, morality, accountability and social responsibility as they apply to entertainment industry?

Oscar Wilde wrote, in
The Picture of Dorian Gray:

"No artist has ethical sympathies. An ethical sympathy in an artist is an unpardonable mannerism of style."


The only ethics I can see in entertainment is for the entertainer to deliver the best performance he/she knows how to deliver in exchange for the pay and the admiration of the audience.

A good entertainer is an ethical trader. As is a good shoemaker or a good engineer.

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28 Nov 2010, 9:09 am

The only ethics I can see in entertainment is for the entertainer to deliver the best performance he/she knows how to deliver in exchange for the pay and the admiration of the audience.

A good entertainer is an ethical trader. As is a good shoemaker or a good engineer.

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But if we look at ethics in entertainment today...

page 3 girls? alcohol adverts in television, products that promise you to make you better, more attractive but never do...
a range of products, events are advertised by half naked girls etc.

That is not ethical in my opinion....children have access to all of it nowadays... and young girls feel the pressure to look like the girls in magazines(most of the pictures are retouched and look nothing like the real women)



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28 Nov 2010, 9:33 am

CherryB wrote:
The only ethics I can see in entertainment is for the entertainer to deliver the best performance he/she knows how to deliver in exchange for the pay and the admiration of the audience.

A good entertainer is an ethical trader. As is a good shoemaker or a good engineer.

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But if we look at ethics in entertainment today...

page 3 girls? alcohol adverts in television, products that promise you to make you better, more attractive but never do...
a range of products, events are advertised by half naked girls etc.

That is not ethical in my opinion....children have access to all of it nowadays... and young girls feel the pressure to look like the girls in magazines(most of the pictures are retouched and look nothing like the real women)


That's not entertainment. That's business - sales and advertising. I often (not always) find the term 'business ethics' to be a bit of an oxymoron.



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28 Nov 2010, 10:22 am

Of course the delight in the audience in people motivated to eat excrement and cockroaches by big money rewards is not exactly uplifting.



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28 Nov 2010, 10:31 am

CherryB wrote:
Oscar Wilde wrote, in
The Picture of Dorian Gray:

"No artist has ethical sympathies. An ethical sympathy in an artist is an unpardonable mannerism of style."

The question here is not about whether it is okay to use Cindy Crawford to attract young boys toward soft drinks, but about whether an *entertainer* has any moral responsibility to society overall ... and I say it is unethical for an entertainer to hide behind alleged "artistry" in order to push one's personal vulgarity and immorality (or ideas or thoughts of same) toward others. So, I say Oscar Wilde is wrong.


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28 Nov 2010, 10:45 am

leejosepho wrote:
CherryB wrote:
Oscar Wilde wrote, in
The Picture of Dorian Gray:

"No artist has ethical sympathies. An ethical sympathy in an artist is an unpardonable mannerism of style."

The question here is not about whether it is okay to use Cindy Crawford to attract young boys toward soft drinks, but about whether an *entertainer* has any moral responsibility to society overall ... and I say it is unethical for an entertainer to hide behind alleged "artistry" in order to push one's personal vulgarity and immorality (or ideas or thoughts of same) toward others. So, I say Oscar Wilde is wrong.


So naive! Vulgarity is the soul of entertainment. And more people have fun with immorality than anything else.



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28 Nov 2010, 10:55 am

Without public demand, there would be no suppliers


so who`s responsible?



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28 Nov 2010, 11:28 am

There are no ethics in entertainment (year 2010)(simplified answer). Technically, in parts of the movie industry today (Hollywood), there are film rating categories for audiences based on age. The lack of ethics is due to a long series of US Supreme Court decisions over the last sixty years or so which have watered down ethics to something pretty close to: If you have the money to pay for something and it doesn't appear to hurt anyone too much, it's ethical. When the Internet/www was invented, the content of the Internet/www was not addressed legally much at all so almost anything could be put on the Internet/www (aka zero ethics). The Internet/www bypassed all the laws on the books (including any sort of ethics) which applied to traditional media. That's the state of the art today although there is a growing number of restrictions on the Internet/www due to the writing of new laws. There are some countries such as (extremist) China which have adopted a different approach toward ethics in entertainment and actively censors the Internet/www/the Chinese entertainment industry. Pandora's box (old story) has been opened and there's no going back to traditional ethics anytime soon (my view). Once the feathers have been released from a pillow in a strong wind, the feathers are gone for good.



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28 Nov 2010, 11:46 am

I'd have to say that I don't think that there are heavy ethical obligations with art. I think that perhaps we can argue that more ethical art is better in some sense, but even then, I am not certain. The diversity of art has intellectual value, one that would be precluded by a lot of self-limiting behaviors. As such, while it may be optimal for some artists to have ethical agendas, in the same bit, it is optimal(and thus arguably ethical) for many to not seek that at all, and to seek mere expression.



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28 Nov 2010, 11:50 am

Sand wrote:

So naive! Vulgarity is the soul of entertainment. And more people have fun with immorality than anything else.


You are doing a good imitation of a crotchety old git. What is wrong with people having fun? Whatever makes them laugh is funny (by definition).

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28 Nov 2010, 11:58 am

ruveyn wrote:
Sand wrote:

So naive! Vulgarity is the soul of entertainment. And more people have fun with immorality than anything else.


You are doing a good imitation of a crotchety old git. What is wrong with people having fun? Whatever makes them laugh is funny (by definition).

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Assuming you gents are talking about me: Why have you changed the subject?


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28 Nov 2010, 11:59 am

leejosepho wrote:
Assuming you gents are talking about me: Why have you changed the subject?


What???! !!. I was making a criticism of a general point raised by Sand.

Much of what goes on in this forum is really not about you.

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28 Nov 2010, 12:12 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
I'd have to say that I don't think that there are heavy ethical obligations with art.

I am saying there is a *moral* obligation, and that it is unethical to claim "immoral license" or "freedom of immoral expression" (my terms) simply because one is an artist.

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I think that perhaps we can argue that more [moral] art is better in some sense, but even then, I am not certain. The diversity of art has intellectual value, one that would be precluded by a lot of self-limiting behaviors.

There are definitely some great tensions there, and I do not believe society should use government to attempt to regulate or control art (entertainment). However, the presence of diversity is not dependent upon the presence of immorality in "art".

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... it is optimal (and thus arguably ethical) for many ... to seek mere expression.

Mere expression and some of the rubbish some people call "art" are entirely different matters, and there is where the question of ethics enters the picture: Rubbish is being misrepresented.


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28 Nov 2010, 12:12 pm

ruveyn wrote:
What???! !!. I was making a criticism of a general point raised by Sand.

I thank you for the clarification.


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28 Nov 2010, 12:16 pm

Didn't entertainers in Shakespeare's time use real heads, real blood in pig bladders, etc. (Not sure about the real blood, but I do know they used a few real heads). So morality has gone downhill in some ways and uphill in others.