How come confession under torture be a proof?

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30 Nov 2010, 5:32 pm

Among the Wikileaks leaks there has been some about the ancient chief of the canadian security services, Jim Judd having wrote against a dedcisions of the judge;

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"These judgments posit that Canadian authorities cannot use information that 'may have been' derived from torture, and that any Canadian public official who conveys such information may be subject to criminal prosecution," the cable says.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/11/ ... z16o7e6ba8


Basically he was considering that confession under torture was a proof, and not considering it a proof was a danger toward national security.

Getting that under torture you can make someone confesse everything you want (Even being a pink elf, if you want such a confession...), how come anyone in their right mind consider it a proof?


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30 Nov 2010, 9:11 pm

The purpose is to terrorise because such people celebrate terrorism in their lives and the other purpose is to convict all suspects and put them out of the way, better that 1,000 innocent be punished to catch one guilty than for that guilty person to escape.



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30 Nov 2010, 9:14 pm

xenon13 wrote:
The purpose is to terrorise because such people celebrate terrorism in their lives and the other purpose is to convict all suspects and put them out of the way, better that 1,000 innocent be punished to catch one guilty than for that guilty person to escape.


And god damn the collateral damage.

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30 Nov 2010, 9:18 pm

I don't know if it was Thomas Friedman or someone who said that after Sept 11 the US must grab some Muslim country, any Muslim country and "throw them against the wall"... doesn't matter if they were involved or not, there must be a demonstration of force. This is the mentality. Just the other day the police built a fake bomb and spent six months talking this kid into pushing the button on the detonator and now that person is being accused of plotting to detonate a weapon of mass destruction. A similar case in Florida caused convictions even though the group in question had no weapons, no explosives, nothing, they just took some pictures of some alleged targets after months of pressure from policemen.



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01 Dec 2010, 9:19 am

xenon13 wrote:
I don't know if it was Thomas Friedman or someone who said that after Sept 11 the US must grab some Muslim country, any Muslim country and "throw them against the wall"... doesn't matter if they were involved or not, there must be a demonstration of force. This is the mentality. Just the other day the police built a fake bomb and spent six months talking this kid into pushing the button on the detonator and now that person is being accused of plotting to detonate a weapon of mass destruction. A similar case in Florida caused convictions even though the group in question had no weapons, no explosives, nothing, they just took some pictures of some alleged targets after months of pressure from policemen.


That's not exactly an accurate take on the Portland tree lighting attempted bombing.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/fbi_thwarts_terrorist_bombing.html

We are much better off with this guy behind bars.



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02 Dec 2010, 3:08 pm

Evidence is whatever the law, both common law and statutory law, says it is.

If Parliament amends the Canada Evidence Act to say that a court must take judicial notice of certain evidence, then the court must do so, unless that is found to be contrary to the Charter and not saved by section 1.

It is always up to the trier of fact (either a jury or a judge trying a matter alone) to determine the credibility of evidence, and it is always open to a party to challenge the credibility of evidence on the basis that it is undermined by the method of its procurement.


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03 Dec 2010, 3:04 am

Yes it is true!

I worship the Devil. I shot President Kennedy. I kidnapped the Lindbergh baby and I crucified Christ.

Now stop ripping my fingernails out!