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iamnotaparakeet
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14 Dec 2010, 1:51 am

If a person makes a statement and another person makes a statement in opposition to it, then the first person's statement has been rebutted and is therefore invalid.



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14 Dec 2010, 1:57 am

I almost don't dare pick up that gauntlet. But ,,,

Methinketh you give too much power to the rebutterer, who may be ignorant or flippant or plain wrong.

Rebutted, I can concede? But invalid?



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14 Dec 2010, 2:14 am

Philologos wrote:
But invalid?


I'm using it in a colloquial sense of "wrong" rather than properly meaning that the logic of the syllogism is improper in a manner that a false conclusion would be obtained if true premises were used.



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14 Dec 2010, 3:25 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
If a person makes a statement and another person makes a statement in opposition to it, then the first person's statement has been rebutted and is therefore invalid.


Rebuttal requires evidence showing that the assertion objected to is either empirically false or contains a logical error (that includes implying a contradiction).

A: Says chocolate ice cream is good
B: Says: chocolate ice cream is bad

where both are asserting a preference. B has NOT rebutted A. B has simply expressed a contrary opinion.

Compare this with:

A: Says eating chocolate ice cream will given one zits.
B: Says this is generally not true, and presents statistical data to show it.

Then B has rebutted A's general assertion.


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14 Dec 2010, 7:40 am

ruveyn wrote:
A: Says chocolate ice cream is good
B: Says: chocolate ice cream is bad

B has NOT rebutted A. B has simply expressed a contrary opinion.

No, B has spoken nutritional fact where A had merely expressed the opinion of chocolate ice cream seeming tasty.


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14 Dec 2010, 8:13 am

ruveyn wrote:
A: Says eating chocolate ice cream will given one zits.
B: Says this is generally not true, and presents statistical data to show it.

Then B has rebutted A's general assertion.

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No, B has refuted A's general assertion.

Rebutting and merely responding are difficult to determine, but a rebuttal is a response that blunts the blow of a person's argument by undermining or providing counter-evidence to the evidence used by the first party.

For instance,
A: Says eating chocolate ice cream will give one zits and presents statistical data.
B: Says this is generally not true, and points out a flaw in the statistical data used relevant to the situation.