Iraqi Health Ministry Seeking to Violate Second Amendment

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01 Jan 2011, 9:38 am

Didn't we teach these damn Iraqi turds anything?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/01/world ... s&emc=tha2

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Iraq Moves to Ban Toy Guns as Play Turns Real

BAGHDAD — The Ministry of Health here is campaigning to ban the sale of guns in Iraq. Toy guns, that is.

Baghdad’s toy markets are stocked with plastic weapons in all prices and sizes: toy guns, tanks, knives, uniforms, even silencers. In a country where guns and military gear are heartbreakingly prevalent, basic training begins early.

“It’s the responsibility of the community to get rid of these toys,” said Dr. Emad Abdulrazaq, national adviser for mental health at the ministry. “They make it easier for a child to make the next step to real violence, because every day he enjoys guns.”

The ministry, which itself has no authority to regulate toy sales, has urged the government to ban all toy weapons. But for now it is concentrating on one: a cheap plastic air pistol highly popular among boys that fires plastic pellets and has been the source of hundreds, possibly thousands, of eye injuries.

Dr. Kudair al-Tai, head of the technical department at Ibn al-Haytham Hospital, the country’s main eye hospital, is one of those waging the campaign.

On a recent morning, Dr. Tai examined the eye of a 5-year-old boy named Mustafa, searching for scratches or internal bleeding. In late November, during Id al-Adha, the Islamic Feast of Sacrifice, the boy was playing with his neighbors when one of them fired an air pistol, hitting him in the eye. The boy looked alright, but for seven days he cried and could not sleep. Finally, his father took him to the eye hospital, where Dr. Tai discovered a yellow plastic pellet the size of a small pea lodged between his eyeball and the surrounding socket. There was bleeding in the eye’s interior chamber and partial dislocation of the iris.

“He was lucky,” Dr. Tai said. Many children suffer much worse injuries from the pellets.

During the five-day celebration of Id al-Adha, when families give children money to buy toys, Dr. Tai said, he often sees several injuries from pellet guns a day, some severe enough to require surgery. This year he went on television to advise parents not to buy the guns.

“The problem is not with the parents who purchase these toys but with the merchants that import such kind of toys,” Dr. Tai said. Because the toys are popular, parents “cannot resist their children’s persistence,” he said. He said he had seen toy air pistols with a range of 50 yards.

Children here live amid the impact of real violence, both on the news and in their neighborhoods. During the height of sectarian violence in 2006 and 2007, bodies often remained on the streets for days before being collected. Few children have access to psychiatric care, which is deeply stigmatized. Iraqi families are often large, and the children share rooms with their parents, so they are not sheltered from adult television or conversation — both of which commonly refer to horrific violence, theatrical or real.

“We have our own horror scenes, we don’t need extra,” said a hospital ward matron, who asked not to be named because she was not authorized to talk to reporters. “It should all be banned, any fireworks. The other day I started shouting at neighborhood kids who were shooting at each other. But at least they shot at each other’s legs, so they wouldn’t hurt their eyes.”

At the markets on Karada Street, where pellet guns sold for $8 or less, merchants said toy guns were their most popular.

“The culture of violence is dominant,” said one shop owner, Hussein Mohammed, who declines to sell pellet guns.

“Children are no longer interested in educational games,” he said at his store. “All they want to play with is the games that express power and violence.”

Teachers said that living with so much violence in both their real and fantasy lives had made students quicker to fight and less patient with their studies.

Where students used to ask teachers to help resolve conflicts, now they rarely do so, said Instisar Mohammed, a primary school teacher in the Yarmouk neighborhood, where most residents are relatively well educated. “They resolve with their fists more easily,” she said. “They fight a lot more than they used to.” She added that “after 15 minutes in the classroom they do not pay attention anymore and start moving around, then fighting.”

A ban on toy weapons is unlikely because it would require action by a number of ministries, none of them responsible for public health. But the Trade Ministry is in talks with health experts about a ban on some imports, a ministry spokeswoman said.

Mustafa, who was shot in the eye, said he no longer talked to the neighbors who shot him.

“I don’t like them,” he said. When he grows up, he said, he wants to be an ophthalmologist.

His father, Raad Kharaibut, 62, said he had tried to persuade the neighbors not to allow their children to play with the guns, but to no avail. “I don’t bring home such things because I know they are harmful,” he said. “We’ve seen similar incidents. Guns are not nice and not civilized toys.”

Even without the toys, he said, his son would be growing up in a martial culture. “The child sees checkpoints, he sees the military stop traffic,” he said. “The soldier has the gear, he has the right to express his power. The boy wants to be like that.”

The larger danger, though, is that a childhood spent among guns, real and toy, will make children more likely to embrace any use of power, Dr. Abdulrazaq said. “In the short term, it makes them more hostile at home and in school,” he said. “They become more cruel. In the long term, it will encourage them to engage in more adventures with weapons. He will be more vulnerable to be recruited by police, criminals or terrorists.”

Real guns, he said, “will be an enjoyment, not a stress.”

But for many parents, the question of whether to have toy guns at home rests on more immediate considerations. “They like it,” said Saddam Abdulsalam, who buys toy guns for his six children, though one shot his brother in the eye.

Even his three daughters play with the guns. “This is the new generation,” he said. “They will grow out of it.”


Guns don't kill people! People kill people!

Plastic pellets don't cause eye injuries! People cause eye injuries!

NRA -- time to jump to action! Put together some signs, and march in front of the Iraqi embassy!



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01 Jan 2011, 9:43 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxcPaYWA9yg

yup, everyone should own a gun.


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01 Jan 2011, 9:49 am

Is Iraq now part of the US so that the Constitution applies? Or do they have a similar amendment in the same place?

My understanding was that the US consitutions imposes no rights or obligations on those outside. But maybe this has been reinterpreted by the courts.



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01 Jan 2011, 11:04 am

The divinely inspired US Constitution damned well better apply to countries we've conquered.



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01 Jan 2011, 11:24 am

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01 Jan 2011, 12:02 pm

pandabear wrote:
The divinely inspired US Constitution damned well better apply to countries we've conquered.

I thought we had "liberated" Iraq, not conquered it? Anyways, by the end of this year the US presence in Iraq is meant to cease. We have no jurisdiction there, and our Constitution certainly does not apply to them.


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01 Jan 2011, 12:51 pm

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01 Jan 2011, 1:28 pm

Orwell wrote:
pandabear wrote:
The divinely inspired US Constitution damned well better apply to countries we've conquered.

I thought we had "liberated" Iraq, not conquered it? Anyways, by the end of this year the US presence in Iraq is meant to cease. We have no jurisdiction there, and our Constitution certainly does not apply to them.

What? I thought we liberated those heathens from their false moon-god worshipping ways? That was the whole point of our invasion right? Is the US Constitution not written in the Bible?



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01 Jan 2011, 1:51 pm

Iraq isn't American, they don't have our Constitution, fail thread.



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01 Jan 2011, 1:55 pm

Philologos wrote:
Is Iraq now part of the US so that the Constitution applies? Or do they have a similar amendment in the same place?

My understanding was that the US consitutions imposes no rights or obligations on those outside. But maybe this has been reinterpreted by the courts.


I don't know if they have a similar amendment in place either, however I would say if they did, it would seem they did learn from Democrats in congress about ignoring the Constitution and doing whatever the heck they want.



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01 Jan 2011, 2:07 pm

They did force Iraq to write a new constitution and that was one of the most destructive decisions made... it deepened the divisions. Naturally the US wanted to force in things that benefit the rich and powerful.



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01 Jan 2011, 2:09 pm

marshall wrote:
Orwell wrote:
pandabear wrote:
The divinely inspired US Constitution damned well better apply to countries we've conquered.

I thought we had "liberated" Iraq, not conquered it? Anyways, by the end of this year the US presence in Iraq is meant to cease. We have no jurisdiction there, and our Constitution certainly does not apply to them.

What? I thought we liberated those heathens from their false moon-god worshipping ways? That was the whole point of our invasion right? Is the US Constitution not written in the Bible?


Get off it.
We all know what happened.
We enacted the patrioit act shortly before we invaded Iraq.
After the invasion the newly liberated Iraqis needed a Constitution, so naturally we just let them have ours because we had just recently stopped using it ourselves!

So thats why it matters if they violate our Constitution!


Ofcourse some parts of our constitution they never quite got right.
For example- the inhabitants of the CIty of Bagdad are not only allowed to vote - they are actually well represented in the Iraqi Parlaiment!

The Iraqis never grasped the wisdom of placing your captital city inside of a District of Columbia where no one can vote- or if they can vote they still cant be represented in the national legislature.

Imagine that! Allowing folks in your Capital city to participate in democracy!
What an un American concept!



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01 Jan 2011, 2:16 pm

marshall wrote:
Orwell wrote:
pandabear wrote:
The divinely inspired US Constitution damned well better apply to countries we've conquered.

I thought we had "liberated" Iraq, not conquered it? Anyways, by the end of this year the US presence in Iraq is meant to cease. We have no jurisdiction there, and our Constitution certainly does not apply to them.

What? I thought we liberated those heathens from their false moon-god worshipping ways? That was the whole point of our invasion right? Is the US Constitution not written in the Bible?


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01 Jan 2011, 2:18 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
marshall wrote:
Orwell wrote:
pandabear wrote:
The divinely inspired US Constitution damned well better apply to countries we've conquered.

I thought we had "liberated" Iraq, not conquered it? Anyways, by the end of this year the US presence in Iraq is meant to cease. We have no jurisdiction there, and our Constitution certainly does not apply to them.

What? I thought we liberated those heathens from their false moon-god worshipping ways? That was the whole point of our invasion right? Is the US Constitution not written in the Bible?


Get off it.
We all know what happened.
We enacted the patrioit act shortly before we invaded Iraq.
After the invasion the newly liberated Iraqis needed a Constitution, so naturally we just let them have ours because we had just recently stopped using it ourselves!

So thats why it matters if they violate our Constitution!


Ofcourse some parts of our constitution they never quite got right.
For example- the inhabitants of the CIty of Bagdad are not only allowed to vote - they are actually well represented in the Iraqi Parlaiment!

The Iraqis never grasped the wisdom of placing your captital city inside of a District of Columbia where no one can vote- or if they can vote they still cant be represented in the national legislature.

Imagine that! Allowing folks in your Capital city to participate in democracy!
What an un American concept!


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01 Jan 2011, 4:17 pm

After we conquered Germany, Italy, and Japan, we had a heavy hand in writing their constitutions. Of course we had a very liberal socialist president, so a lot of liberal-socialist crap got written into their constitutions. That's why Germany, Japan and Italy became failed states.

By having a conservative US president write the Iraqi constitution, we have guaranteed them liberty and economic success. Everyone got to keep his AK-47. Everything was hunky-dory. Now, the Iraqis want to ban toy guns! They are going to descend once again into liberalism, and we'll have to return once again to show them what is and is not acceptable.



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01 Jan 2011, 4:25 pm

pandabear wrote:
After we conquered Germany, Italy, and Japan, we had a heavy hand in writing their constitutions. Of course we had a very liberal socialist president, so a lot of liberal-socialist crap got written into their constitutions. That's why Germany, Japan and Italy became failed states.

By having a conservative US president write the Iraqi constitution, we have guaranteed them liberty and economic success. Everyone got to keep his AK-47. Everything was hunky-dory. Now, the Iraqis want to ban toy guns! They are going to descend once again into liberalism, and we'll have to return once again to show them what is and is not acceptable.


Are you being serious?