Having children shouldn't be a business opportunity

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16 Jan 2011, 5:36 pm

Just reading the Daily Mirror newspaper today, and seeing a page about the Uk Chancellor, George Osbourn, picking on kids with the goverment cuts. Its typical left wing hypocrisy from the newspaper, when i've seen articles in there, about some parents, who don't work, have 10 kids and loaded etc. I know a lot of girls will actually have kids, mainly so they get money. It should not be that way at all. If I was going to have a child, i'd make sure I was in a financially stable situation, not have a child to get me financially stable. There's just too many single mothers swarming the council estates, they don't work, and their kids will most likely end up just the same. If kids that are already born may suffer with the cuts, then its the parents responsibility to deal with that, not the taxpayers. People should raise their own children.


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16 Jan 2011, 8:03 pm

That's one way for the lefty traitors to buy themselves another elections and keep civil peace.



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16 Jan 2011, 8:46 pm

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That's one way for the lefty traitors to buy themselves another elections and keep civil peace.


Yeah. Its annoying with them whining about things, when they caused the problem, while in power for 13 years.


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16 Jan 2011, 9:02 pm

f**k welfare queens and fathers that don't stick around. Disgusting pieces of s**t I tell you.



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16 Jan 2011, 9:11 pm

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f**k welfare queens and fathers that don't stick around. Disgusting pieces of sh** I tell you.


here here!


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17 Jan 2011, 2:20 am

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f**k welfare queens and fathers that don't stick around. Disgusting pieces of sh** I tell you.


The only way to stop the nonsense is either enforced sterilization or letting babies die. Which do you prefer?

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17 Jan 2011, 4:55 am

I'm in the US and we have a different aid system and different social stratification, however, my mother was a single mother on welfare after my parents divorced, which is clearly different from the situation you are suggesting, but here is a problem she encountered as far as working goes.

As she had minimal upper education, and had spent the better part of her adult life raising me and my siblings, she did not have much earning power in the work force. She could make $10 an hour tops, at the time, if she worked full time.

That's about $1341.6 dollars per month after Federal, and not state taxes.

Our rent for our tiny house (my brother had to sleep on the couch) was about $1500 a month.
Food was about $900 per month, not including for me because I bought my own.
Electricity was $60 per month.
Gas was $30 per month.
Phone was $60 per month
Gasoline would have cost her around $90 per month at the time.
And car insurance about $30 per month.
This amounts to $2511.60 and does not include health insurance/health care, household items, personal care items, school supplies, or clothing.

To send my brother to daycare would have cost around $258 a month.

She would have had to bring in about $3,000 a month after taxes to meet basic needs.

She did not get $3,000 a month in welfare. She got less than $1500 and a relative helped out on behalf of my father, who could not pay child support at the time. We were still living below the poverty line and often did not have at least one utility at any given time....I used to have to ride my bike to the gas station, where there was a payphone, to make phone calls, and then they tore the gas station down, and the phone with it.

She tried to get a job but could only find one that was part time. The amount she would have paid in gas and daycare would have eaten most of her earning up. She decided it wasn't worth being an absent parent to only bring home an additional $40 a month or so.
Remember, raising a child is a full time job. They don't raise themselves so it's important at least one parent be present most of the time.



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17 Jan 2011, 9:37 am

ruveyn wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
f**k welfare queens and fathers that don't stick around. Disgusting pieces of sh** I tell you.


The only way to stop the nonsense is either enforced sterilization or letting babies die. Which do you prefer?

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How is that the only way? Yeah, in cases where some idiotic guy has like 10 kids by 10 different mothers, the guy and most of the mothers should be sterilized. The parents are responsible for their kids safety, so their natural instincts should kick in to save them, instead of sucking on the nipple of society.


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17 Jan 2011, 10:14 am

I support some level of government sponsored security for parents for two reasons.

1. Not enough people in many places in the world are having enough children to maintain our standard of living (especially in the developed world, but also in some others, China/Russia for example). I am in favor of migration, but do not think of it as a cure-all.

2. My family required it, we are not lazy slouches but without it I would not have been able to be raised properly or go to university.

If my tax dollars pay for a few lazy bums, then I consider that to be the price of living in a civilized country. It's kind of like how crazy people spouting hatred let me know that I have free speech.


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17 Jan 2011, 10:33 am

ruveyn wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
f**k welfare queens and fathers that don't stick around. Disgusting pieces of sh** I tell you.


The only way to stop the nonsense is either enforced sterilization or letting babies die. Which do you prefer?

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Why are they the only options? If you can't financially support your own kids and consistently make irresponsible decisions, then it's time for child protection to get cracking. I bet you a lot less of this irresponsible BS would happen if people knew they didn't have a crutch to lean on. I'm not against absolutely ALL safety nets, but I definitely don't want safety nets to be this easily abused. Some people say it's a necessary evil, but there are definitely things that can be done to make it harder to abuse such as removing this "The more kids you have, the more money we're sending you" policy.



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17 Jan 2011, 10:59 am

Now, now.

Be fruitful and multiply.

Don't think about the mouths to feed, but rather the hands to work.



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17 Jan 2011, 11:31 am

A business? The only people allowed to make business out of children according to Natural Law TM are wealthy people who need cheap labour. Otherwise it's a crime against Nature and God.



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17 Jan 2011, 11:35 am

pandabear wrote:
Now, now.

Be fruitful and multiply.

Don't think about the mouths to feed, but rather the hands to work.
lol an economic depression would've been an understatement if we were rabbits. Work harder guys, millions on welfare depend on you!



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17 Jan 2011, 1:09 pm

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A business? The only people allowed to make business out of children according to Natural Law TM are wealthy people who need cheap labour. Otherwise it's a crime against Nature and God.


:roll: Its not natural to let others raise your own children. And yeah it is a business. The Labour goverment here made it, the more kids you have, the more money we'll give you.


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17 Jan 2011, 1:26 pm

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Just reading the Daily Mirror newspaper today, and seeing a page about the Uk Chancellor, George Osbourn, picking on kids with the goverment cuts. Its typical left wing hypocrisy from the newspaper, when i've seen articles in there, about some parents, who don't work, have 10 kids and loaded etc. I know a lot of girls will actually have kids, mainly so they get money. It should not be that way at all. If I was going to have a child, i'd make sure I was in a financially stable situation, not have a child to get me financially stable. There's just too many single mothers swarming the council estates, they don't work, and their kids will most likely end up just the same. If kids that are already born may suffer with the cuts, then its the parents responsibility to deal with that, not the taxpayers. People should raise their own children.


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17 Jan 2011, 1:30 pm

Lol. Our taxes pay for that b***h too.


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