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18 Jan 2011, 11:43 am

DUBLIN (AP) — A newly revealed 1997 letter from the Vatican warned Ireland's Catholic bishops not to report all suspected child-abuse cases to police — a disclosure with the potential to fuel more lawsuits worldwide against the Vatican, which has long denied any involvement in cover-ups.

The letter, obtained by Irish broadcasters RTE and provided to The Associated Press, documents the Vatican's rejection of an Irish church initiative to begin helping police identify pedophile priests.

The letter's message undermines persistent Vatican claims that the church never instructed bishops to withhold evidence or suspicion of crimes from police. It instead emphasizes the church's right to handle all child-abuse allegations, and determine punishments, in house rather than hand that power to civil authorities.

Catholic officials in Ireland declined AP requests on the letter, which RTE said it received from an Irish bishop.

Child-abuse activists in Ireland said the 1997 letter should demonstrate, once and for all, that the protection of pedophile priests from criminal investigation was not only sanctioned by Vatican leaders but ordered by them. A key argument employed by the Vatican in defending dozens of lawsuits over clerical sex abuse in the United States is that it had no role in ordering local church authorities to suppress evidence of crimes.

"The letter is of huge international significance, because it shows that the Vatican's intention is to prevent reporting of abuse to criminal authorities. And if that instruction applied here, it applied everywhere," said Colm O'Gorman, director of the Irish chapter of human rights watchdog Amnesty International.

To this day, the Vatican has yet to endorse any of the Irish church's three major policy documents since 1996 on reporting suspected child abuse to civil authorities. In his 2010 pastoral letter to the Irish people condemning pedophiles in the ranks, Pope Benedict XVI faulted Ireland's bishops for failing to follow canon law and offered no explicit endorsement of Irish child-protection efforts by the Irish church or state.

O'Gorman — who was raped repeatedly by an Irish priest when he was an altar boy and was among the first victims to speak out in the mid-1990s — said evidence is mounting that some Irish bishops continued to follow the 1997 Vatican instructions and withheld reports of crimes against children as recently as 2008.

A third major state-ordered investigation into Catholic abuse cover-ups, concerning the southwest Irish diocese of Cloyne, is expected to be published within the next few months.

Two state-commissioned reports published in 2009 — into the Dublin Archdiocese and workhouse-style Catholic institutions for children — unveiled decades of cover-ups of abuse involving tens of thousands of children since the 1930s.

Irish church leaders didn't begin telling police about suspected pedophile priests until the mid-1990s. In January 1996, Irish bishops published a groundbreaking policy document spelling out their newfound determination to report all suspected abuse cases to police.

But in the January 1997 letter seen Tuesday by the AP, the Vatican's diplomat in Ireland at the time, Archbishop Luciano Storero, told the bishops that a senior church panel in Rome, the Congregation for the Clergy, had decided that the Irish church's year-old policy of "mandatory" reporting of abuse claims conflicted with canon law.

Storero emphasized in the letter that the Irish church's policy was not recognized by the Vatican and was "merely a study document." He said canon law — which required abuse allegations to be handled within the church — "must be meticulously followed."

Without elaborating Storero, who died in 2000, wrote that mandatory reporting of child-abuse claims to police "gives rise to serious reservations of both a moral and a canonical nature."

He warned that bishops who followed the Irish child-protection policy and reported a priest's suspected crimes to police ran the risk of having their in-house punishments of the priest overturned by the Congregation for the Clergy.

The letter, originally obtained by RTE religious affairs program "Would You Believe?", said the Congregation for the Clergy in Rome was pursuing "a global study" of sexual-abuse policies and would establish worldwide child-protection policies "at the appropriate time."

The Vatican's child-protection policies today remain in legal limbo. It currently advises bishops worldwide to report crimes to police only in a legally non-binding lay guide, but it does not mention this in the official legal document provided by another powerful church body, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which continues to stress the secrecy of canon law.

The central message of Storero's letter was reported second-hand by two priests as part of Ireland's mammoth investigation into the 1975-2004 cover-up of hundreds of child-abuse cases in the Dublin Archdiocese. The letter itself, marked "strictly confidential," has never been published before.


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18 Jan 2011, 11:57 am

And it goes on. I'd like to see the letter itself.



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18 Jan 2011, 12:01 pm

This goes back to Vatican II when the corrupt Italian Catholic Pope then - using Latin - threatened to fire all Italian Catholic cardinals and bishops around the world who reported Italian Catholic clergy child crimes to the secular police. What kind of job does a fired Cardinal or bishop get when they are excommunicated by the corrupt, fascist, Mafia Vatican? Actually it goes back way prior to Vatican II. What is so awful (my view) is the (phony) Bush, Jr. Texas Republican White House closed down Washington, D.C. when the last corrupt Italian Pope died so Bush, Jr. could go to the funeral in Rome. Bush, Jr. even ordered the USA flag to be lowered to half-mast thereby signaling that pedofile assisting, criminal Popes of Rome were viewed as good friends of the Bush, Jr./Rush Limbaugh Republican Party White House (so to speak). Nonsense. Bush, Jr. should have been asked to resign for going to the criminal Pope's funeral and replaced by VP Richard Cheney years ago. The Vatican stinks. The Bush, Jr. White House stinks. The World Court of Europe should have asked the criminal Pope to step aside, stand trial, and put the corrupt criminal Pope of Italy in jail for life. Where's international justice involving the criminal Pope of Italy? There is none - year 2011.



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18 Jan 2011, 12:12 pm

Oh, him. Yeah, he's being declared Blessed on May 1st. Which is very cool. 8)

I don't for a moment think that John Paul II ever condoned a single act of child abuse. He, and Vatican officials under his authority, did make terrible mistakes in how those crimes were handled. And we see the results.



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18 Jan 2011, 12:23 pm

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Oh, him. Yeah, he's being declared Blessed on May 1st. Which is very cool. 8)

I don't for a moment think that John Paul II ever condoned a single act of child abuse. He, and Vatican officials under his authority, did make terrible mistakes in how those crimes were handled. And we see the results.


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Judge what a corrupt Pope of Italy did by his actual actions, not what a corrupt hot air speaking Pope (public relations) says. On the contrary, the corrupt Pope known as John Paul II condoned child crimes in the Italian Catholic Church around the world. As Pope, John Paul II could have stood up to the child crimes like Martin Luther King, Jr. did for civil rights. Corrupt criminal and pedofile hider John Paul II is not a Martin Luther King, Jr. and making John Paul II a holy saint is identical to making a saint out of Saddam Hussein or O.J. Simpson. Corrupt John Paul II was 100% irresponsible and allowed child crimes to go unreported on his watch. John Paul II didn't give a hoot. That's what history shows.



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18 Jan 2011, 6:39 pm

Uh considering we're talking about a man that had Parkinson's Disease, I find it highly unlikely that John Paul II wrote the letter. My grandfather had Parkinson's Disease and he couldn't write because he shook so badly, anything the Pope would have tried to write or type for that matter would be either illegible or jibberish.

Most likely it was some Cardinal acting without John Paul II's knowledge.



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18 Jan 2011, 7:09 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Uh considering we're talking about a man that had Parkinson's Disease, I find it highly unlikely that John Paul II wrote the letter. My grandfather had Parkinson's Disease and he couldn't write because he shook so badly, anything the Pope would have tried to write or type for that matter would be either illegible or jibberish.

Most likely it was some Cardinal acting without John Paul II's knowledge.


Going by the article, it was written by the Vatican diplomat to Ireland, at the direction of the Congregation for the Clergy. Not by John Paul II himself.



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18 Jan 2011, 8:07 pm

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Inuyasha wrote:
Uh considering we're talking about a man that had Parkinson's Disease, I find it highly unlikely that John Paul II wrote the letter. My grandfather had Parkinson's Disease and he couldn't write because he shook so badly, anything the Pope would have tried to write or type for that matter would be either illegible or jibberish.

Most likely it was some Cardinal acting without John Paul II's knowledge.


Going by the article, it was written by the Vatican diplomat to Ireland, at the direction of the Congregation for the Clergy. Not by John Paul II himself.


So in other words it could be argued that John Paul II had no knowledge of this and found out basically when the public did.



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18 Jan 2011, 8:58 pm

Yeah, I guess - I'm no Vatican expert, just another lay Catholic sickened by scandal after scandal. Much as I loved JPII, and don't think he deliberately shielded child abusers, I do think he made significant mistakes (trusting Maciel against his accusers being a huge one). Again, though, I'd like to see the letter itself; not the media analysis of it.



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18 Jan 2011, 9:34 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Uh considering we're talking about a man that had Parkinson's Disease, I find it highly unlikely that John Paul II wrote the letter. My grandfather had Parkinson's Disease and he couldn't write because he shook so badly, anything the Pope would have tried to write or type for that matter would be either illegible or jibberish.

Most likely it was some Cardinal acting without John Paul II's knowledge.


The pope doesn't write letters, he has people take dictation.


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18 Jan 2011, 10:13 pm

Link to a scanned copy of the Vatican letter (small! print): http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/wor ... le1874546/

Link to the Irish Bishops' document: http://www.catholicbishops.ie/images/do ... mework.pdf

The Irish document emphasizes early and often that any action taken is to be in accord with canon law. The Congregration for the Clergy, being a higher level of authority, is saying that some things in the document are against canon law. Nowhere does it say to conceal or not report cases of sexual abuse.



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18 Jan 2011, 11:34 pm

Around after the gun shot, John Paul got old and he didn't really set direction of much in the Vatican.

Ratzinger was actually the man behind the man during John Paul's last days. John Paul was more of an ambassador and public image. Of course, it does not mean he had not wronged by omission for letting this happen. But it is 100% most likely Ratzinger was the intellectual author of this whole Vatican method to deal with pedophiles.

I do not really think the Vatican was trying to protect the pedophilles, after all, they have nothing to win from that, it is not like that the head of the church is behind a conspiracy to get children raped. I think they were just ret*d and paranoid. They thought that taking the justice and handling by themselves, they could make sure to eliminate the pedophiles' threat without harming the image of the Church. But they were naive, we were no longer in freaking century XVI , you cannot hide things like that anymore, and it was stupid. The irony in this is that all their moves were attempts to mantain a good PR image for the church, but since they had to indirectly protect the priests from the law in order to try to hide the scandal, it really, really destroyed their PR image...

I think all the back-slash and the bad image is well-deserved, and I hope soon a new pope decides to send the whole deal to s**t and establishes a zero tolerance method , and they should also create rules for priests similar to the boy scouts of America's rules. Something as simple as making sure no member of the church is ever able to be alone with children without another adult around would do wonders not only to protect children but also to protect priests from possible smear, because, we have to accept, some of the cases are probably fabricated by greedy people that want money... and priests need to be protected by rules like that so that this sort of accusation is harder to make unless it happened.


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18 Jan 2011, 11:47 pm

Natty_Boh wrote:
Link to a scanned copy of the Vatican letter (small! print): http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/wor ... le1874546/

Link to the Irish Bishops' document: http://www.catholicbishops.ie/images/do ... mework.pdf

The Irish document emphasizes early and often that any action taken is to be in accord with canon law. The Congregration for the Clergy, being a higher level of authority, is saying that some things in the document are against canon law. Nowhere does it say to conceal or not report cases of sexual abuse.


from the document addressed by the letter, section 2.2-2.2.6:
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2.2 Recommended Reporting Policy
2.2.1 In all instances where it is known or suspected that a child has been, or is being, sexually abused by a priest or religious the matter should be reported to the civil authorities. Where the suspicion or knowledge results from the complaint of an adult of abuse during his or her childhood, this should also be reported to the civil authorities.
2.2.2 The report should be made without delay to the senior ranking police officer for the area in which the abuse is alleged to have occurred. Where the suspected victim is a child, or where a complaint by an adult gives rise to child protection questions, the designated person within the appropriate health board/health and social services board should also be informed. A child protection question arises, in the case of a complaint by an adult, where an accused priest or religious holds or has held a position which has afforded him or her unsupervised access to children.
2.2.3 The Advisory Committee recognises that this recommended reporting policy may cause difficulty in that some people who come to the Church with complaints of current or past child sexual abuse by a priest or religious seek undertakings of confidentiality. They are concerned to protect the privacy of that abuse of which even their immediate family members may not be aware. Their primary reason in coming forward may be to warn Church authorities of a priest or religious who is a risk to children.
2.2.4 The recommended reporting policy may deter such people from coming forward or may be perceived by those who do come forward as an insensitive and heavy-handed response by Church authorities. This is particularly so where the complaint relates to incidents of abuse many years earlier.
2.2.5 Nonetheless, undertakings of absolute confidentiality should not be given but rather the information should be expressly received within the terms of this reporting policy and on the basis that only those who need to know will be told.
2.2.6 In making its recommendations in regard to reporting, the Advisory Committee considers to be paramount the safety and protection of children and the need to prevent, where possible, further abuse.


from the letter:
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The text, however, contains "procedures and dispositions which appear contrary to canonical discipline and which, if applied, could invalidate the acts of the same Bishops who are attempting to put a stop to these problems. If such procedures were to be followed by the Bishops and there were cases of eventual hierarchical recourse lodged at the Holy See, the results could be highly embarrassing and detrimental to those same Diocesan authorities.

In particular, the situation of 'mandatory reporting' gives rise to serious reservations of both a moral and canonical nature"

Since the policies on sexual abuse in the English speaking world exhibit many o the same characteristics and procedures, the Congregations is involved in a global study of them. At the appropriate time, with the collaboration of the interested Episcopal Conferences and in dialogue with them, the Congregation will not be remiss in establishing some concrete directives with regard to these Policies.


tell me, natty, what is it you're missing? i'm terrible at "reading between the lines" in conversation, but this kind of text isn't very ambiguous.


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19 Jan 2011, 12:04 am

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Around after the gun shot, John Paul got old and he didn't really set direction of much in the Vatican.

Ratzinger was actually the man behind the man during John Paul's last days. John Paul was more of an ambassador and public image. Of course, it does not mean he had not wronged by omission for letting this happen. But it is 100% most likely Ratzinger was the intellectual author of this whole Vatican method to deal with pedophiles.

I do not really think the Vatican was trying to protect the pedophilles, after all, they have nothing to win from that, it is not like that the head of the church is behind a conspiracy to get children raped. I think they were just ret*d and paranoid. They thought that taking the justice and handling by themselves, they could make sure to eliminate the pedophiles' threat without harming the image of the Church. But they were naive, we were no longer in freaking century XVI , you cannot hide things like that anymore, and it was stupid. The irony in this is that all their moves were attempts to mantain a good PR image for the church, but since they had to indirectly protect the priests from the law in order to try to hide the scandal, it really, really destroyed their PR image...

I think all the back-slash and the bad image is well-deserved, and I hope soon a new pope decides to send the whole deal to sh** and establishes a zero tolerance method , and they should also create rules for priests similar to the boy scouts of America's rules. Something as simple as making sure no member of the church is ever able to be alone with children without another adult around would do wonders not only to protect children but also to protect priests from possible smear, because, we have to accept, some of the cases are probably fabricated by greedy people that want money... and priests need to be protected by rules like that so that this sort of accusation is harder to make unless it happened.


take a look at the links provided by natty. in particular, the csaframework.pdf. it was a great start on the kind of policies you'd like to see the church adopt. the letter is the vatican telling them "no."

according to wikipedia, "the congregation for the clergy" no longer handles reports of sexual misconduct. that responsibility has been shifted to "the congregation for the doctrine of the faith" which was formerly (and much more famously) known as "the supreme sacred congregation of the roman and universal inquisition."


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19 Jan 2011, 12:41 am

@Waltur -

Sorry. I got bogged down in sections 3 and 4 of the Irish document, which read to me as a logistical nightmare of in-house procedures and bureaucracy. As I read the Vatican letter, it was saying to be careful how cases are handled - "no mandatory reporting" is not the same as "no reporting", and I think sections 2.2.3 and 2.2.4 of the Irish document give a good picture of the concern. It's an extremely personal area, and there are victims who will not report or will wait longer to report if they do not have absolute privacy. Last year, after the Irish government seized all those documents from Church offices, there were victims who were furious at the breach of privacy. You have to protect the victims, all of them; and there's emotional protection to consider as well. (And yeah, spiritual protection. I didn't see much in the document about respecting the Sacrament of Confession; and while that might have been a given, the omission would be cause for worry.)

[edited to remove a tidy wrap-up of a disgustingly messy situation.]



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19 Jan 2011, 1:04 am

I believe the Vatican is more interested in keeping up the sagging numbers of priests, than with punishing offenders, which might include expulsion from the priesthood. Even if that means protecting pedophiles.
Plus, pedophilia is the dirty little secret Rome tried kept swept under the carpet, as the allegedly holy state of chastity might be perceived as a contributing factor to the crime. Or at least that is the perception of many.

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