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26 Jan 2011, 11:40 am

I didn't watch the address or its responses but I'm to understand that there was both a televised Tea Party response along with the normal televised Republican response?

How is this fair that there's two right different right wing responses? Shouldn't there also be a Green Party response since they're letting fringe groups on TV now?

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26 Jan 2011, 12:11 pm

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The SoTU advocated both spending more and spending less. It reminded me of a limric:

There was a young man from Racine
Who invented a f*cking machine
It was concave and convex
It could serve either sex
And kept itself clean in between.

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26 Jan 2011, 12:14 pm

The tea party isn't a fringe group skafather84, you want to keep bashing the American People, keep expecting the left to lose seats in congress.

Also, the SoTU address may have sounded good but I didn't believe Obama was telling the truth for most of it.

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26 Jan 2011, 12:17 pm

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skafather84 wrote:

Yeah, it's pointless to watch. Only idiots would think that it's not just a big pile of lies on both sides.

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26 Jan 2011, 12:44 pm

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You are conflating "fringe" and "extreme." Thankfully for the world, the two normally coincide, but recently the far right has grown relatively powerful and prominent in US politics. The far left is still tiny and weak, which is why no one knows or cares what the Green Party thinks about the speech.

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The tea party isn't a fringe group skafather84, you want to keep bashing the American People, keep expecting the left to lose seats in congress.

What is with this right wing delusion that you are the ones who truly are "the American People?" What, centrists and liberals aren't "real Americans?" That kind of attitude is what lost the Right a lot of credibility, leading to crushing defeats in 2006 and 2008.

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Also, the SoTU address may have sounded good but I didn't believe Obama was telling the truth for most of it.

Your point? He's a politician. Besides, these kind of speeches are almost always just empty rhetoric.

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26 Jan 2011, 12:55 pm

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My bad, you're right. I still think they're a fringe group with the same size followers that any fringe group would get if they had as much publicity as the Tea Party has had. If the Greenies got that much coverage and publicity for their platform, I think they'd have numbers comparable to the Tea Party.

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26 Jan 2011, 1:03 pm

I'm sure the Green Party did have a response, just nobody cared.

But ya, I didn't bother watching it either. It's just a pep rally and provides nothing of value. Paul Ryan is a fraud "budget hawk" and about as establishment as you can get btw. The media pushing him as some sort of rising star is a joke.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0B8--qw1ws&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
^^^only response worth listening too.

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26 Jan 2011, 1:11 pm

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The tea party isn't a fringe group skafather84, you want to keep bashing the American People, keep expecting the left to lose seats in congress.

A lot of centrists and a large percentage of the rational liberals (that left the Democrat Party when it jumped off the cliff into insanity) are members of the tea party, it isn't a far right group despite the left's delusion.

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26 Jan 2011, 1:15 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

a large percentage of the rational liberals (that left the Democrat Party when it jumped off the cliff into insanity) are members of the tea party,

OK, that's just numerically false, unless you're about to pull a No True Scotman to define a rational liberal as "one who joined the Tea Party."

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it isn't a far right group despite the left's delusion.

Yes, it is. The Tea Party's right-wing alignment is obvious to anyone who is not completely delusional. Even Fox acknowledges that the Tea Party is a movement of the right.

And you never answered the substantive question. What is with the arrogant presumption that you speak for "the American People?"

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26 Jan 2011, 1:18 pm

Orwell wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

a large percentage of the rational liberals (that left the Democrat Party when it jumped off the cliff into insanity) are members of the tea party,

OK, that's just numerically false, unless you're about to pull a No True Scotman to define a rational liberal as "one who joined the Tea Party."

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it isn't a far right group despite the left's delusion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissist ... y_disorder

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26 Jan 2011, 1:24 pm

skafather84 wrote:

It is hard to know for certain. The Tea Party has had a powerful cheerleader and ally in Fox News, and undoubtedly they would be smaller if they received less media attention. But I still doubt that the far-left elements in this country, even with some amount of astro-turfing, could be quite as large as the Tea Party. Consider especially that, to some degree, the Tea Party has successfully opposed the establishment conservative faction.

I am glad the far left is weak, insignificant, and generally ignored. I just wish the same were true of the far right.

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26 Jan 2011, 1:30 pm

skafather84 wrote:

Orwell wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

a large percentage of the rational liberals (that left the Democrat Party when it jumped off the cliff into insanity) are members of the tea party,

OK, that's just numerically false, unless you're about to pull a No True Scotman to define a rational liberal as "one who joined the Tea Party."

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it isn't a far right group despite the left's delusion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissist ... y_disorder

I don't fit the definition of being a Narcissist, and I'm not going to take psychological advice from a quack.

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Actually, the far left runs the Democrat party, see the House Minority Leader Pelosi. She wouldn't be minority leader if the Democrats were centrists as you say they are.

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26 Jan 2011, 1:31 pm

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I don't fit the definition of being a Narcissist, and I'm not going to take psychological advice from a quack.
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Exactly what a narcissist would say.

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26 Jan 2011, 1:35 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

Actually, the far left runs the Democrat party, see the House Minority Leader Pelosi. She wouldn't be minority leader if the Democrats were centrists as you say they are.

The powerful Blue Dog wing is conservative, and the dominant DLC wing is relatively centrist (center-left by US standards, center-right or solid right by the standards of any other developed nation in the world). The Progressive caucus has been comparatively weak thus far, and most progressives have been disappointed with Pelosi's lukewarm support for their agenda.

You just have a very skewed perception of the political spectrum.

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26 Jan 2011, 1:41 pm

skafather84 wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

I don't fit the definition of being a Narcissist, and I'm not going to take psychological advice from a quack.
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Exactly what a narcissist would say.

Hate to break it to you, but I don't fit the definition of a narcissist. Furthermore, you're not qualified to make that diagnosis in the first place.

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What blue dog wing, most of the so-called blue dogs were the ones that retired or were voted out of office because they caved to Pelosi and Reid on Cap and Tax, Obamacare, etc.

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26 Jan 2011, 2:04 pm

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most progressives have been disappointed with Pelosi's lukewarm support for their agenda.

I don't see how any progressive would ever look to Pelosi for any support of their agenda other than maybe a corporatist piece of legislation painted as something progressive.

/Jello Biafra for president 2012

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