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28 Feb 2011, 8:20 pm

Why not? I mean don't children have the right to know their birth father? Shouldn't the father know the child is his as the mother knows the child is hers? Shouldn't he be able to leave if the child is not his?



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28 Feb 2011, 8:24 pm

It could result in more red tape. But I have read about plenty of men who are left on the side of the road by their former partner and told they weren't even the father of the child they had spent so much time caring for and loving
So if it could spare such a horribly unfair and traumatic experience to men who made the mistake of getting involved with a psycho hose beast woman, then perhaps it would be a good idea
Many men choose to love the child like it was their own in any case. Knowing it isn't related genetically could perhaps allow them to be aware that some familial genetic traits won't apply to the newborn


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28 Feb 2011, 8:29 pm

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It could result in more red tape. But I have read about plenty of men who are left on the side of the road by their former partner and told they weren't even the father of the child they had spent so much time caring for and loving


I suppose it might, politics does have that inclination, but what red tape would you be referring to? Yes and then they have to fight in court of paternal rights which are routinely denied.

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So if it could spare such a horribly unfair and traumatic experience to men who made the mistake of getting involved with a psycho hose beast woman, then perhaps it would be a good idea


Which would be the purpose, this of course couldn't be done if the testing where voluntary. The man would be too fearful of upsetting his spouse.

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Many men choose to love the child like it was their own in any case. Knowing it isn't related genetically could perhaps allow them to be aware that some familial genetic traits won't apply to the newborn


This I know plenty of men, who have no way with women but would love to care for a child as a father, whether or not it is genetically theirs.(note this would include with a mother) I don't know any men who would like to be single parents.



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28 Feb 2011, 8:30 pm

If you want a paternity test, get it yourself.



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28 Feb 2011, 8:30 pm

I mean by 'red tape' it would, at least in the US, involve a lot more expenses for the lab testing and etc. We have health care in Canada so it probably would be a moot point here


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28 Feb 2011, 8:35 pm

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If you want a paternity test, get it yourself.


See above about upsetting spouse. Also in some countries the consent of the mother is required in others both parents are required.(assuming no court order)



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28 Feb 2011, 8:36 pm

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I mean by 'red tape' it would, at least in the US, involve a lot more expenses for the lab testing and etc. We have health care in Canada so it probably would be a moot point here


I suppose it could just be subsidized, if looking from the point of view that parental assurance is a right, subsidization is feasible.



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28 Feb 2011, 8:46 pm

Might not always provide a happy ending (possibly fatal) for the child or mother in question. Some men take the idea of paternity very seriously. Emotions might take over in a situation such as this.

There is research that indicates that male children often resemble the mother more than the father at birth and through childhood. The suggestion is that there is an evolutionary benefit for the male child to look more like the mother than the father. It certainly eases suspicion about paternity.

The benefits are obvious. Not really fair that a women gets to guess who the father is when there is no definitive way for her to tell. Particularly, when issues of support arise. It is a real life issue. In a legal case for support, at least it can be mandated at this point.

It would likely be considered a mandate that many women would find offensive. Not likely that any group of politicians in this country would dare try to pass something like this.



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28 Feb 2011, 8:48 pm

Mommy's little babies
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28 Feb 2011, 8:50 pm

I think it would be interesting (and unfortunate/inconvenient for the parties involved, probably) if the father happened to be a genetic Chimera and failed a paternity test despite actually being the father. In fact a failed maternity test and resulting lawsuit were what led to the discovery of genetic Chimerism if I'm not mistaken.


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28 Feb 2011, 8:54 pm

What if the woman does not know who the father is? Who shall be tested?

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28 Feb 2011, 8:56 pm

aghogday wrote:
Might not always provide a happy ending (possibly fatal) for the child or mother in question. Some men take the idea of paternity very seriously. Emotions might take over in a situation such as this.


Yes, but I don't see why men shouldn't have the opportunity to decide for themselves whether or not they want to take care of a child that has no genetic ties.

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There is research that indicates that male children often resemble the mother more than the father at birth and through childhood. The suggestion is that there is an evolutionary benefit for the male child to look more like the mother than the father. It certainly eases suspicion about paternity.

The benefits are obvious. Not really fair that a women gets to guess who the father is when there is no definitive way for her to tell. Particularly, when issues of support arise. It is a real life issue. In a legal case for support, at least it can be mandated at this point.


This issue however shouldn't be dealt with only when it becomes a courts problem. By then whether or not the man is the biological father is usually held as irrelevant to whether or not support of some kind is owed, and the emotional investment by the father is by then already made.

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It would likely be considered a mandate that many women would find offensive. Not likely that any group of politicians in this country would dare try to pass something like this.


Maybe, but I see no reason why any women should find it offensive. Nor do I see why we should tolerate such inequality in the matter of paternity based on what one sex finds offensive.



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28 Feb 2011, 9:00 pm

Vigilans wrote:
I think it would be interesting (and unfortunate/inconvenient for the parties involved, probably) if the father happened to be a genetic Chimera and failed a paternity test despite actually being the father. In fact a failed maternity test and resulting lawsuit were what led to the discovery of genetic Chimerism if I'm not mistaken.


It would be interesting but its irrelevant to this discussion, it being so rare.

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What if the woman does not know who the father is? Who shall be tested?

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Can you be more specific? Why wouldn't she know who the father is? If she was drunk during conception she's just going to have to ask who she left with at the bar and hope she gets lucky. If she was raped well that would be dealt with as usual. If she just slept with a lot of men she can get court ordered paternity tests for each and hope her memory isn't faulty.



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28 Feb 2011, 9:01 pm

I should have phrased that as I see no legitimate reason women would be offended by this.



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28 Feb 2011, 9:04 pm

ikorack wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
If you want a paternity test, get it yourself.


See above about upsetting spouse. Also in some countries the consent of the mother is required in others both parents are required.(assuming no court order)


That's their problem.



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28 Feb 2011, 9:12 pm

Jacoby wrote:
ikorack wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
If you want a paternity test, get it yourself.


See above about upsetting spouse. Also in some countries the consent of the mother is required in others both parents are required.(assuming no court order)


That's their problem.


Their problem? There are several groups you could be referring too, be more specific.(there is more than one group of people referred to in the post you are responding to)