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30 Mar 2011, 1:29 pm

Stop finding more ways to spend money, decrease taxes, tattoo a Mogan David on Obama and drop him off in Afghanistan.



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30 Mar 2011, 1:46 pm

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It's a start, would create jobs, would eliminate spending on oil and increase transportation efficiency.


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30 Mar 2011, 1:48 pm

^ It might even bring us up to speed with the late 20th century.



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30 Mar 2011, 1:54 pm

Though, I really wish the Austin-Tucson route was a 220 MPH rail considering that there's absolutely nothing out there and cutting down on travel time would be opportune out there.


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30 Mar 2011, 2:25 pm

Where would we get the money to pay for high speed rail?(we're 15 trillion in debt) Would tax payers be forced be subsidize it because it could not compete with our subsidized highways and airways? We went in the opposite direction 60 years ago, it's too late now. Maybe you should advocate ending our subsidization of our highways and airways and see wins out in the free market. That's the best way to help the economy, tell the government to stop interfering in it.



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30 Mar 2011, 2:29 pm

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Where would we get the money to pay for high speed rail?(we're 15 trillion in debt) Would tax payers be forced be subsidize it because it could not compete with our subsidized highways and airways? We went in the opposite direction 60 years ago, it's too late now. Maybe you should advocate ending our subsidization of our highways and airways and see wins out in the free market. That's the best way to help the economy, tell the government to stop interfering in it.


Where did you get the figure that we're 15 trillion in debt?

And I can think of a few starters from raising taxes both on personal income and on corporate income (as well as closing all tax shelters and loopholes), cut spending on supporting private enterprises (ie, no more bailouts for Dominos, GM, or BoA), increasing spending on education (which will help generate new income down the line), decrease our foreign presence, and encourage proper birth control (population is a huge part of our problem).


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30 Mar 2011, 2:41 pm

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increasing spending on education (which will help generate new income down the line)


Throwing more money at public schools is going to do anything more than build more stadiums and increase payrolls of incompetent bureaucrats who often know less of the subjects they teach than any student who bothers to study their textbooks even occasionally?



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30 Mar 2011, 2:43 pm

skafather84 wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Where would we get the money to pay for high speed rail?(we're 15 trillion in debt) Would tax payers be forced be subsidize it because it could not compete with our subsidized highways and airways? We went in the opposite direction 60 years ago, it's too late now. Maybe you should advocate ending our subsidization of our highways and airways and see wins out in the free market. That's the best way to help the economy, tell the government to stop interfering in it.


Where did you get the figure that we're 15 trillion in debt?

And I can think of a few starters from raising taxes both on personal income and on corporate income (as well as closing all tax shelters and loopholes), cut spending on supporting private enterprises (ie, no more bailouts for Dominos, GM, or BoA), increasing spending on education (which will help generate new income down the line), decrease our foreign presence, and encourage proper birth control (population is a huge part of our problem).


14.2 trillion, my bad. It'll be 15 trillion before the end of the year tho so not really.



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30 Mar 2011, 2:46 pm

Take a more Cowperthwatist approach. That might help. ;)



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30 Mar 2011, 2:50 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
increasing spending on education (which will help generate new income down the line)


Throwing more money at public schools is going to do anything more than build more stadiums and increase payrolls of incompetent bureaucrats who often know less of the subjects they teach than any student who bothers to study their textbooks even occasionally?


Better public schools = better education = less ignorant people = better for everyone


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30 Mar 2011, 2:53 pm

Jacoby wrote:
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Where would we get the money to pay for high speed rail?(we're 15 trillion in debt) Would tax payers be forced be subsidize it because it could not compete with our subsidized highways and airways? We went in the opposite direction 60 years ago, it's too late now. Maybe you should advocate ending our subsidization of our highways and airways and see wins out in the free market. That's the best way to help the economy, tell the government to stop interfering in it.


Where did you get the figure that we're 15 trillion in debt?

And I can think of a few starters from raising taxes both on personal income and on corporate income (as well as closing all tax shelters and loopholes), cut spending on supporting private enterprises (ie, no more bailouts for Dominos, GM, or BoA), increasing spending on education (which will help generate new income down the line), decrease our foreign presence, and encourage proper birth control (population is a huge part of our problem).


14.2 trillion, my bad. It'll be 15 trillion before the end of the year tho so not really.


That still doesn't answer my question of where you got that number from.


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30 Mar 2011, 2:58 pm

Vigilans wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
increasing spending on education (which will help generate new income down the line)


Throwing more money at public schools is going to do anything more than build more stadiums and increase payrolls of incompetent bureaucrats who often know less of the subjects they teach than any student who bothers to study their textbooks even occasionally?


Better public schools = better education = less ignorant people = better for everyone


Yeah but, unfortunately, people go in with a failing attitude when approaching the subject of public education so standards are never set properly or addressed and the systems aren't maintained because they're expected to fall apart.

And what's worse is that when faced with failure, people quit instead of using the failure as a learning experience to refine the model.

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30 Mar 2011, 3:01 pm

skafather84 wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
increasing spending on education (which will help generate new income down the line)


Throwing more money at public schools is going to do anything more than build more stadiums and increase payrolls of incompetent bureaucrats who often know less of the subjects they teach than any student who bothers to study their textbooks even occasionally?


Better public schools = better education = less ignorant people = better for everyone


Yeah but, unfortunately, people go in with a failing attitude when approaching the subject of public education so standards are never set properly or addressed and the systems aren't maintained because they're expected to fall apart.

And what's worse is that when faced with failure, people quit instead of using the failure as a learning experience to refine the model.

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Life's real failure is when you do not realize how close you were to success when you gave up.


Yeah it's true. What I don't like is this new homeschooling movement. It bodes ill for the future of the US. They are not taking into account several factors when they (typical baptist/Creationist ilk) decide on homeschooling over 'secular, leftist public education' :lol: :
1)People that homeschool are usually educated and have the money to be able to work very little or not at all
2)If lots of poor people start homeschooling and not working.. I don't think I need to finish this sentence
3)They might use the Conservapedia homeschooling package, which is tantamount to opening up your child's skull and taking a huge s**t into his or her brain


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30 Mar 2011, 3:03 pm

Vigilans wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
increasing spending on education (which will help generate new income down the line)


Throwing more money at public schools is going to do anything more than build more stadiums and increase payrolls of incompetent bureaucrats who often know less of the subjects they teach than any student who bothers to study their textbooks even occasionally?


Better public schools = better education = less ignorant people = better for everyone


There needs to be more competition against government schools, such as more freedom for parents to homeschool, otherwise public schools are going to just keep acting as efficiently about educating children as the social security administration is when it comes to not losing paperwork. The classroom is not where education happens anyway, it is the homework that is supposed to be completed which is where most of the material to learn is. Listening to a teacher ramble or a professor lecture for hours and hours is not conducive to the absorption of data. Wandering about hallways, having interruptions from kids who want to prove their dominance or whatever, all the drama of public school is not good for learning material like spelling, grammar, arithmetic, history, geometry, algebra, trigonometry, calculus, chemistry, physics, etc. Instead public schools are best at wasting people's time and preparing them for the "real world" of drama rather than teaching them anything which may help to advance the industrialization of space or otherwise anything useful whatsoever.



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30 Mar 2011, 3:05 pm

Vigilans wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
increasing spending on education (which will help generate new income down the line)


Throwing more money at public schools is going to do anything more than build more stadiums and increase payrolls of incompetent bureaucrats who often know less of the subjects they teach than any student who bothers to study their textbooks even occasionally?


Better public schools = better education = less ignorant people = better for everyone


Yeah but, unfortunately, people go in with a failing attitude when approaching the subject of public education so standards are never set properly or addressed and the systems aren't maintained because they're expected to fall apart.

And what's worse is that when faced with failure, people quit instead of using the failure as a learning experience to refine the model.

Quote:
Life's real failure is when you do not realize how close you were to success when you gave up.


Yeah it's true. What I don't like is this new homeschooling movement. It bodes ill for the future of the US. They are not taking into account several factors when they (typical baptist/Creationist ilk) decide on homeschooling over 'secular, leftist public education' :lol: :
1)People that homeschool are usually educated and have the money to be able to work very little or not at all
2)If lots of poor people start homeschooling and not working.. I don't think I need to finish this sentence
3)They might use the Conservapedia homeschooling package, which is tantamount to opening up your child's skull and taking a huge sh** into his or her brain


Homeschoolers and autodidacts in general can outperform most public school students in any given subject for a very simple reason: the goal is learning rather than being processed through a system.



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30 Mar 2011, 3:06 pm

skafather84 wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Where would we get the money to pay for high speed rail?(we're 15 trillion in debt) Would tax payers be forced be subsidize it because it could not compete with our subsidized highways and airways? We went in the opposite direction 60 years ago, it's too late now. Maybe you should advocate ending our subsidization of our highways and airways and see wins out in the free market. That's the best way to help the economy, tell the government to stop interfering in it.


Where did you get the figure that we're 15 trillion in debt?

And I can think of a few starters from raising taxes both on personal income and on corporate income (as well as closing all tax shelters and loopholes), cut spending on supporting private enterprises (ie, no more bailouts for Dominos, GM, or BoA), increasing spending on education (which will help generate new income down the line), decrease our foreign presence, and encourage proper birth control (population is a huge part of our problem).


14.2 trillion, my bad. It'll be 15 trillion before the end of the year tho so not really.


That still doesn't answer my question of where you got that number from.


http://www.usdebtclock.org/

you can watch it go up and up and up in live time!



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