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31 Mar 2011, 2:18 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

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Yeah but there's a purveying idea that is greater than any one person's thoughts on a symbol. For an example, most people think of skinheads as just racists but there's actually a whole demographic of anti-racist skinheads that normally bond together under the title of SHARP (SkinHeads Against Racism and Prejudice) but generally speaking, if someone sees people wearing typical skinhead regalia, the initial impression will be one of racism and nazism. If you're flying the stars and bars, most people will think it's because you're a racist...not that you're making some kind of cryptic statement on your libertarianism.

Okay, just for the sake of argument let’s say the confederate flag IS genuinely offensive to some. Just how cripplingly offensive is it? It should have negligible to zero effect on someone’s day to day life if they are exposed to an offensive or intimidating symbol once in a while or every damned day for that matter. Anyone that sensitive and mentally frail probably should be in an institution where they can be protected since they cannot function in such a cruel world.
Just how far should we go to stamp out offensive symbolism?

I don't know. Try going through life being called a n****r and having the people who call you that associated with that flag and see how you feel about it.

Try going through life being assumed to be lazy or racist on account of not having a dark enough shade of melanin.

I've never seen a white person assumed to be lazy on account of their being white. I've seen plenty black people assumed lazy on account of their being black, though. Another reason why they might hate the stars and bars since a lot of the people who tend to fly it view them as universally lazy unless you put a whip to them.

Go and just listen to conversations about white people when they come up in conversation, see how they are portrayed in general brushstrokes. As for all this "stripes and bars" bit, I don't give a flying fart. I'm from Texas, not Alabama. I've actually not been exposed to racism until moving to Minnesota in 2003 either, where I can hear plenty of enlightened Northern opinions about how people with darker shades of skin deserve preferential treatment based upon their skin tone alone and how people of lighter skin tones deserve discrimination due to the actions of idiots like themselves back over 150 years ago.

Not to speak in generalities, but there are communities in the Mid-West that can be described as insular, and everything bad that comes with it, which they take with them to the cities and suburbs. Same with people living in more isolated, hillbilly-ish areas of my own Pacific Northwest.

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31 Mar 2011, 5:16 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

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I don't know. Try going through life being called a n****r and having the people who call you that associated with that flag and see how you feel about it.

Try going through life being assumed to be lazy or racist on account of not having a dark enough shade of melanin.

Yeah, I suppose massive cities do tend to be insulated pockets of myopic solipsism.

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31 Mar 2011, 5:19 am

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Ahh, this reminds me of my days in gunsmithing school in Denver. We had one black guy in school, and he got along with our decidedly southern conservative population just fine; that might have had something to do with him driving the biggest muddiest pickup with the most rebel flag stickers in the parking lot. That always got a few double-takes from passersby when he got in or out of it.

I suppose that since even people here consider that rebel flag to be a racist flag, that those in person would consider it to be the latter also ensuring confusion thereby?

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31 Mar 2011, 10:31 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

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I suppose that since even people here consider that rebel flag to be a racist flag, that those in person would consider it to be the latter also ensuring confusion thereby?

There is a difference between a person having a rebel sticker on their pickup and a state capitol flying the Confederate flag.

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31 Mar 2011, 1:18 pm

marshall wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

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I suppose that since even people here consider that rebel flag to be a racist flag, that those in person would consider it to be the latter also ensuring confusion thereby?

There is a difference between a person having a rebel sticker on their pickup and a state capitol flying the Confederate flag.

I'm sorry, which states have a confederate flag flying at their capitol?

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31 Mar 2011, 1:29 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

marshall wrote:

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I suppose that since even people here consider that rebel flag to be a racist flag, that those in person would consider it to be the latter also ensuring confusion thereby?

There is a difference between a person having a rebel sticker on their pickup and a state capitol flying the Confederate flag.

I'm sorry, which states have a confederate flag flying at their capitol?

Probably a fair share of the 13 Confederate States. Many of them had rebel flags as part of their State flag, perhaps still do

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31 Mar 2011, 3:12 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYIU09o1gsI[/youtube]

That real politics, Sieg Heil!

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31 Mar 2011, 5:57 pm

Vigilans wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

marshall wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

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I suppose that since even people here consider that rebel flag to be a racist flag, that those in person would consider it to be the latter also ensuring confusion thereby?

There is a difference between a person having a rebel sticker on their pickup and a state capitol flying the Confederate flag.

I'm sorry, which states have a confederate flag flying at their capitol?

Probably a fair share of the 13 Confederate States. Many of them had rebel flags as part of their State flag, perhaps still do

Georgia had the Confederate flag as part of the state flag up until 2001.
Mississippi still does.

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31 Mar 2011, 6:03 pm

J-P wrote:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYIU09o1gsI[/youtube]

That real politics, Sieg Heil!

Need a big glass of Bitburger Pilsner and a plate of sauerbraten to go with that music....

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31 Mar 2011, 6:23 pm

I suppose the biggest problem in American politics in regards to racism is the blatant promotion of hate groups like AIPAC by the leading figures in the American leadership.

Let us remember just exactly what this racist, illegal Israeli bandit state actually represents.

Israel exterminating civilians using illegal white phosphorus wmd.

Which then of course leads to this.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg[/youtube]

A vicious circle indeed.

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31 Mar 2011, 7:31 pm

@ NationalSocialist

If the Israelis had wanted to they could have wiped out the Palestinians long ago, they have tried to avoid killing civilians when terrorists are firing rockets from where children are present. Then you want to blame the Israelis when children get hurt or killed?!?!

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31 Mar 2011, 7:53 pm

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This is what happens when you occupy a foreign land and oppress a people.

There will be no peace in that part of the World any time soon as things are. A two state solution where that plot of land is carved up 50/50 is the only slight chance to save the situation and to be honest the Israeli's don't even deserve that.

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31 Mar 2011, 7:57 pm

NationalSocialist wrote:

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This is what happens when you occupy a foreign land and oppress a people.

I suppose the defensive wars that Israel fought to prevent itself from being annihilated by the Syrians, Egyptians, Jordanim, Iraqis, and the rest had nothing to do with the addition of old land?

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31 Mar 2011, 7:59 pm

The only reason that National Socialist is in favour of arab nationalism is because he wants to divide and ghettoise the world on the basis of race. So he's in favour of all kinds of race based nationalisms. It also gives the nazi the chance to engage in jew baiting.

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31 Mar 2011, 8:04 pm

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Ah, so we need some Nazi-Be-Gone:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goMNAxFqGbk[/youtube]

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31 Mar 2011, 8:07 pm

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The only reason that National Socialist is in favour of arab nationalism is because he wants to divide and ghettoise the world on the basis of race. So he's in favour of all kinds of race based nationalisms. It also gives the nazi the chance to engage in jew baiting.

Yes, quite logically I prefer to respect why Nations carved out their own land in the first place and put borders up so as they could prosper in their own culture amongst their own people, it's simple evolution, not just for man either.

Perhaps you on the other hand would rather have a lion, a dog and a hamster all live in the same zoo cage together and expect them to prosper amongst themselves.

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