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21 Jul 2006, 2:06 pm

So I was thinking. And I have came to a roadblock in my thoughts. Biblically, man first appeared on the Earth in roughly 4004 B.C. That is if you take the Bible literally. Now it could have been around any amount of time before that. In the seven day period God created the planet though, it was 4004 B.C.

So where do dinosaurs come in? Were dinosaurs alive during the time of man? That is/was my guess. As I thought more though, I decided that dinosaurs may well not have even existed. It may in fact be one of the most elaborate hoaxes, or sinister, known to man.

Here's a thought: Assuming you believe in God, did Pangaea exist? What is the similarity between the shorelines of all the continents? Did God have a hand in this 'Pangaea' or was it by coincidence?

On with the dinosaurs though, where did they come from? Was it a creation of God, or did Satan have an influence? I'd like to add in at this point that the fallen angels, the Nephilim, who spawned most of the Earth's inhabitants, may have had a more sinister plan for the Earth. When God destroyed the population in the Great Flood (minus Noah and his), it was a sort of cleansing for the population. If Pangaea was real, it may have seperated during this great catastrophe. All the dinosaurs may have been destroyed, too.

In retrospect, I have a hard time straying away from the idea that dinosaurs never existed. I think it may have been a hoax. I have no reason to believe God sat them here, and if they did exist, I wouldn't be surprised if He didn't.

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21 Jul 2006, 3:09 pm

The general consenus among YECs (Young Earth Creationist, the ones who take Genisi literally) Is that dinosaurs lived in the garden, and were wiped out in the flood. The general consenus in the scientific community is that this is bull. The YECs have all sorts of interesting theories on the movement of plates, I think the current one is 'hydroplaneing'(sp?), that the contents split during the flood, and have been moving and slowing down ever since.



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21 Jul 2006, 5:31 pm

There is so much abundantly overwheming evidence that the Earth is 4.6 billion years old and dinos lived up until 65 million years ago that it's pure fantasy to believe otherwise.

The same science the proves this, beyond the shadow of any doubt, is the same science that makes computers and cars and tennis shoes and chicken nuggets and light bulbs and astronomy and rocket science and gravitation and alarm clocks and tsunamis and armies of ants and on and on endlessly because everything in the universe is logically consistent.

For you to believe that man was placed here 4,000 years ago along with dinosaurs (or whatever else you believe) means you also don't believe that the scientific principles of the world we live in don't make sense, and you're belittling the awesome powers of God!

Try and find me a priest- ANY priest- who firmly believes in an 8,000 year old universe. You won't because they know how foolish it is to believe the creation story literally.

Let's put it this way- reverse your line of thinking and accept science. Now your job is to find the crack in it- find where "logic breaks down and God takes over". Because this, by definition, is "science".



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21 Jul 2006, 7:24 pm

ladakh wrote:
Try and find me a priest- ANY priest- who firmly believes in an 8,000 year old universe. You won't because they know how foolish it is to believe the creation story literally.


You never met my high school religion teacher, apparently.

He claimed that when God told Noah to take "seven of every clean animal and two of every unclean animal" into the ark, what he really meant was, "take seven/two of every clean/unclean animal that I specifically tell you to", and that he didn't tell Noah to save the dinosaurs so Noah didn't.

Nuts to him. Velociraptors > Floods.



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21 Jul 2006, 8:18 pm

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You never met my high school religion teacher, apparently.

He claimed that when God told Noah to take "seven of every clean animal and two of every unclean animal" into the ark, what he really meant was, "take seven/two of every clean/unclean animal that I specifically tell you to", and that he didn't tell Noah to save the dinosaurs so Noah didn't.

Nuts to him. Velociraptors > Floods.


Did your high school religion teacher tell you that fooding the whole earth is scientifically disproveble??


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21 Jul 2006, 8:19 pm

VoluminousFlush wrote:
In retrospect, I have a hard time straying away from the idea that dinosaurs never existed. I think it may have been a hoax. I have no reason to believe God sat them here, and if they did exist, I wouldn't be surprised if He didn't.

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Could it be that biblical literalisim is a hoax??


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21 Jul 2006, 10:14 pm

How's this. God made the Universe and all the forces in it, and in setting up systems the way he did, it led to the creation of life on earth.

If he ever did speak with humans (or had an agent relay the message), probably things became wrapped in metaphors. God would likely be something so strange and different from us that literal communication of ideas may not be possible. (How can something that is imperfect and limited relate to something perfect and unlimited?)

The bible has some interesting Mythology, but it really shouldn't be taken literally.



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21 Jul 2006, 11:22 pm

Scrapheap wrote:
Did your high school religion teacher tell you that fooding the whole earth is scientifically disproveble??


Of course he didn't, he was a religion teacher.



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22 Jul 2006, 4:18 am

Xuincherguixe wrote:
How's this. God made the Universe and all the forces in it, and in setting up systems the way he did, it led to the creation of life on earth.


Certainly possible, but there is no human on earth that could prove it.

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If he ever did speak with humans (or had an agent relay the message), probably things became wrapped in metaphors. God would likely be something so strange and different from us that literal communication of ideas may not be possible. (How can something that is imperfect and limited relate to something perfect and unlimited?)


Who says this God is perfect or unlimited? God did more than wrap things in metaphor, God killed lots and lots of people according to the Bible.



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22 Jul 2006, 4:28 am

Tekneek wrote:
Xuincherguixe wrote:
How's this. God made the Universe and all the forces in it, and in setting up systems the way he did, it led to the creation of life on earth.


Certainly possible, but there is no human on earth that could prove it.

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If he ever did speak with humans (or had an agent relay the message), probably things became wrapped in metaphors. God would likely be something so strange and different from us that literal communication of ideas may not be possible. (How can something that is imperfect and limited relate to something perfect and unlimited?)


Who says this God is perfect or unlimited? God did more than wrap things in metaphor, God killed lots and lots of people according to the Bible.


All of this was hypothetical to begin with. I don't have enough evidence to say with certainty what is or is not the true nature of the Universe.



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22 Jul 2006, 1:12 pm

VoluminousFlush wrote:
So I was thinking. And I have came to a roadblock in my thoughts. Biblically, man first appeared on the Earth in roughly 4004 B.C. That is if you take the Bible literally. Now it could have been around any amount of time before that. In the seven day period God created the planet though, it was 4004 B.C.

So where do dinosaurs come in? Were dinosaurs alive during the time of man? That is/was my guess. As I thought more though, I decided that dinosaurs may well not have even existed. It may in fact be one of the most elaborate hoaxes, or sinister, known to man.

Here's a thought: Assuming you believe in God, did Pangaea exist? What is the similarity between the shorelines of all the continents? Did God have a hand in this 'Pangaea' or was it by coincidence?

On with the dinosaurs though, where did they come from? Was it a creation of God, or did Satan have an influence? I'd like to add in at this point that the fallen angels, the Nephilim, who spawned most of the Earth's inhabitants, may have had a more sinister plan for the Earth. When God destroyed the population in the Great Flood (minus Noah and his), it was a sort of cleansing for the population. If Pangaea was real, it may have seperated during this great catastrophe. All the dinosaurs may have been destroyed, too.

In retrospect, I have a hard time straying away from the idea that dinosaurs never existed. I think it may have been a hoax. I have no reason to believe God sat them here, and if they did exist, I wouldn't be surprised if He didn't.

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Many fundy christians don't have a problem with dinasours...

Old earth creationism
Day-Age creationism
Gap theory creationism
Theistic evolution mixed with fundamentalism...

They basically ignore the first chapters of genesis, adam, eve.. and cherry pick the rest.



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22 Jul 2006, 4:40 pm

hyperbaric biosphere

http://www.keelynet.com/biology/baugh.htm

http://www.genesispark.org/genpark/biosp/biosp.htm

The material on these pages are relevent to this topic in some respects.



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22 Jul 2006, 10:26 pm

Mordy wrote:
Many fundy christians don't have a problem with dinasours...

Old earth creationism
Day-Age creationism
Gap theory creationism
Theistic evolution mixed with fundamentalism...

They basically ignore the first chapters of genesis, adam, eve.. and cherry pick the rest.


The problem here is that all these "Theories" blend in a certian amount of religious constructs. Since these statements can't be verified, the end up poluting science. Science and religion are both best when they are kept as seperate topics.


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