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22 Apr 2011, 6:39 pm

I believe this is the right place to ask this, i recently had a discussion with my AU teacher at school, about my problem with how our world is, how people rely on emotions more than they need too, and that people do irrational things, or that they do things before thinking, ect...... My point is how do i keep my self from exploding as the people around me do, not necessarily the wrong things, but the irrational or to use a blunt term stupid thing for what ever said task they are doing. Its like they do things on purpose to see what happens, Also they talk about useless and meaningless topics, what is it with people that makes them do these things.

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22 Apr 2011, 6:43 pm

Whats wrong with the world...people imposing their views on others, half the worlds thinking power goes to memorising football statistics, irrationality, welfare dependancy, I could go on....


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22 Apr 2011, 6:48 pm

There are almost 7 billion people too many, that's whats wrong. Want peace on Earth? Remove the Humans. Otherwise nothing is going to change unless there was one homogenous philosophy, which is itself also a dangerous concept as one philosophy without competition or change equates with inevitable stagnation & decadence. To be Human is to accept conflict, I suppose. 'Only our enemies are our real teachers' - a lesson that is very important


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22 Apr 2011, 6:53 pm

Vigilans wrote:
There are almost 7 billion people too many, that's whats wrong. Want peace on Earth? Remove the Humans. Otherwise nothing is going to change unless there was one homogenous philosophy, which is itself also a dangerous concept as one philosophy without competition or change equates with inevitable stagnation & decadence. To be Human is to accept conflict, I suppose. 'Only our enemies are our real teachers' - a lesson that is very important


To some extent I concur.

Homo domesticus has to go -, it is an evolutionary dead end.

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22 Apr 2011, 7:17 pm

RedHanrahan wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
There are almost 7 billion people too many, that's whats wrong. Want peace on Earth? Remove the Humans. Otherwise nothing is going to change unless there was one homogenous philosophy, which is itself also a dangerous concept as one philosophy without competition or change equates with inevitable stagnation & decadence. To be Human is to accept conflict, I suppose. 'Only our enemies are our real teachers' - a lesson that is very important


To some extent I concur.

Homo domesticus has to go -, it is an evolutionary dead end.

peace j


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22 Apr 2011, 7:20 pm

Sand wrote:
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There are almost 7 billion people too many, that's whats wrong. Want peace on Earth? Remove the Humans. Otherwise nothing is going to change unless there was one homogenous philosophy, which is itself also a dangerous concept as one philosophy without competition or change equates with inevitable stagnation & decadence. To be Human is to accept conflict, I suppose. 'Only our enemies are our real teachers' - a lesson that is very important


To some extent I concur.

Homo domesticus has to go -, it is an evolutionary dead end.

peace j


Evolution has no goals. It merely offers variation. Some survive. Some don't. Humanity has great capacity. Perhaps some variations will survive.


Likely the ones too dumb to remember e = mc^2, assuming we all end up blowing each other up.


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22 Apr 2011, 7:28 pm

ryan93 wrote:
Sand wrote:
RedHanrahan wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
There are almost 7 billion people too many, that's whats wrong. Want peace on Earth? Remove the Humans. Otherwise nothing is going to change unless there was one homogenous philosophy, which is itself also a dangerous concept as one philosophy without competition or change equates with inevitable stagnation & decadence. To be Human is to accept conflict, I suppose. 'Only our enemies are our real teachers' - a lesson that is very important


To some extent I concur.

Homo domesticus has to go -, it is an evolutionary dead end.

peace j


Evolution has no goals. It merely offers variation. Some survive. Some don't. Humanity has great capacity. Perhaps some variations will survive.


Likely the ones too dumb to remember e = mc^2, assuming we all end up blowing each other up.


Witness Japan. The atomic energy proponents have more insidious methods to destroy us.



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22 Apr 2011, 7:32 pm

Sand wrote:
ryan93 wrote:
Sand wrote:
RedHanrahan wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
There are almost 7 billion people too many, that's whats wrong. Want peace on Earth? Remove the Humans. Otherwise nothing is going to change unless there was one homogenous philosophy, which is itself also a dangerous concept as one philosophy without competition or change equates with inevitable stagnation & decadence. To be Human is to accept conflict, I suppose. 'Only our enemies are our real teachers' - a lesson that is very important


To some extent I concur.

Homo domesticus has to go -, it is an evolutionary dead end.

peace j


Evolution has no goals. It merely offers variation. Some survive. Some don't. Humanity has great capacity. Perhaps some variations will survive.


Likely the ones too dumb to remember e = mc^2, assuming we all end up blowing each other up.


Witness Japan. The atomic energy proponents have more insidious methods to destroy us.


[nihilism on] they're promoting world peace through their efforts at self-destruction of Humanity [/nihilism off]


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22 Apr 2011, 7:38 pm

to be honest i think the accident in japan, while extremely bad, isnt as bad as the number of deaths from pollution the coal powered alternative would give.

**edit** OT: human behavior contains bad behavior and only through realizing this can we move forward and work with what we have.


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22 Apr 2011, 7:38 pm

Dependency over Autonomy...
Complacence over Initiative...
Indulgence over Discipline....

Those are the ways of the world.



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22 Apr 2011, 7:54 pm

The problem with the world is that it is made of people. People are a problem because our "design" is fundamentally flawed. For instance, we are "designed" to REQUIRE emotional input for decision-making processes and to fail to conform various rational criterion for decision-making. Our mental structure just doesn't promote the idea much. Even further, "talking about the wrong things" is just a matter of being human, built around how to best breed, and being thrust into a world of complex gizmos we were never evolved to really navigate. The fact that we do work it all out is because we are good at making our own kludges to solve the problems of our kludges.



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22 Apr 2011, 7:55 pm

Oodain wrote:
to be honest i think the accident in japan, while extremely bad, isnt as bad as the number of deaths from pollution the coal powered alternative would give.

**edit** OT: human behavior contains bad behavior and only through realizing this can we move forward and work with what we have.


There are many ways we can destroy ourselves. That one might be more effective than others does not make any ineffective.



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22 Apr 2011, 8:17 pm

Sand wrote:
Oodain wrote:
to be honest i think the accident in japan, while extremely bad, isnt as bad as the number of deaths from pollution the coal powered alternative would give.

**edit** OT: human behavior contains bad behavior and only through realizing this can we move forward and work with what we have.


There are many ways we can destroy ourselves. That one might be more effective than others does not make any ineffective.


i honestly dont get the second part, could you rephrase it?


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22 Apr 2011, 9:02 pm

Oodain wrote:
Sand wrote:
Oodain wrote:
to be honest i think the accident in japan, while extremely bad, isnt as bad as the number of deaths from pollution the coal powered alternative would give.

**edit** OT: human behavior contains bad behavior and only through realizing this can we move forward and work with what we have.


There are many ways we can destroy ourselves. That one might be more effective than others does not make any ineffective.


i honestly dont get the second part, could you rephrase it?


To say that coal, or automobile accidents, or smoking, or falling off ladders is more efficient at killing people than the dangers of atomic energy does not mitigate the problem of atomic energy.



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22 Apr 2011, 9:37 pm

I think coal vs nuclear is a false dichotomy. Plus raw numbers is probably not a good comparison, perhaps (number of deaths / amount of energy generated) and also (destruction of environment / amount of energy generated) would make more sense for a comparison, and no, I am not sure which would turn out better using those comparisons.


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22 Apr 2011, 9:45 pm

thanks for taking the time to rephrase, much clearer to me now :)

true but when the losses of atomic energy are less than the losses of the alternative then one surely has to choose the lesser of two evils.
i would love to see the "true" renewables as the only source of energy but as it stands today the industry cant keep up with the rising demand at all, now this might change making nuclear power obsolete.
i still think it stands as the only curently viable way of keeping up with the rising energy demands without sacrificing the whole ecosystem in the process.
this is not to say that its risk free at all, but what do you think would have been the result had a large oil refinery been situated at fukushima.

now what i would like to see were a better international involvement in the planning of nuclear power plants as some catastrophies clearly have international effects.
i would also like to see the new generation of power plants in effect as they have made vast improvements since the 70'ies through the early 90'ies where most of the worlds nuclear power plants were build.


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