Jehovah's Witnesses face gunfire at 'Catholic home'

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http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/today/i ... st_61.html

I feel sorry for the witnesses. I also feel sorry for those who had that much hatred for us. I'm including both in my prayers tonight.

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It is good that you will be praying for everyone involved in this incident Kxmode, I hope you will be asking for God's forgiveness for everyone involved because both sides were in the wrong.

The hatred was not necessarily for the witnesses themselves, it could be for their overly aggressive style. They knew the people they were talking to were not interested in their message and they were still on their property ten minutes after they were asked to leave; they were tresspassing. Mr. Kalapach would have been within his rights to get his rifle, after calling the police, and gently prod them off his property with the rifle butt. Firing even one warning shot would be going too far though unless they resisted.

I have never had a problem with Jehovah's Witnesses myself. Several years ago I had some visiting me regularly. I actually invited them into the house and discussed scripture with them for a period of two or three weeks. The stopped coming around when they learned that our theological differences of opinion were irreconcilable. It would be nice if other witnesses also knew when to give up.

If it had been me, I would have aimed higher.

ruveyn

All flesh is grass, all men sinners. If true, deplorable. But I fear as long as Green Monkeys walk the earth - which is as long as there are humans, because if they get rid of me someione else WILL be defined as Green - inevitable.

I agree with one of the comments on page 2 of the link.

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it IS legal to go door to door. the Supreme Court has time and again defended the right of ANY group to knock on doors, from Girl Scouts to salesmen and YES, Jehovah's Witnesses. knocking on a door is legally NOT tresspassing.

brandishing a shotgun and shooting it into the groud though, IS a terroristic threat and IS illegal.

St. Paul was beat and imprisoned too for spreading the Gospel. jesus said Christians would be objects of hatred on account of his name.

I love the part where the 'victim' says she is a 'devout Catholic', as her husband threatens some women with a shotgun. is that what the church teaches now?

I've made tons of jokes about setting up JW traps on my front door. I guess I should stop...

You know it is not.

And you know that being a devout Catholic or a Jehovah's Witness in good standing does not preven ne from being an sinner, a jerk, an idiot, a swine, mad or a criminal.

It would be very nice if it were, but God has not yet made it so.

You are telling a half-truth here Kxmode. It is true that knocking on doors is not trespassing, however refusing to leave when the person who opened the door asks you to is. Can't you admit that?

I am not defending Mr. Kalapach here, I said in my first response that both sides were in the wrong. Judging from the fact that he was charged with five counts of making terroristic threats it sounds like he threatened to do exactly what Ruevyn said he would have done. Nevertheless, that does not change the fact that they remained at his door five to ten minutes after they were asked to leave and then started moving at an extremely slow pace. You are coloring half the story to your point of view. Is that what your church teaches you?

By the way, I was surprised you didn't link to the official Jehovah's Witnesses account until I saw how little was in it.

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hmm i must admit i have had my fun with jehovas witness's's's's's(wow it sounds so weird in english) nothing dangerous but somehow they get scared of my cthulhu mask.
all stopped when i started a class where there was a jehovas witness, we became quite good friends and study partners, somehow i was never visited again.
probably because he knew i was a lost cause .

As a Mormon you understand when someone say no, you just wish them good day & leave that person in peace to go about there own business. Many be its time JW's learn to respect the wishes of other people as that will then earn people's respect & may in the future have move success with people taking the time to listen to your message.

No means no, its don't mean hassle someone on there door step for up to 15 mins after they asked you to leave!!

The question is: can you really believe what that woman says? I don't really trúst people who think it's okay to shoot at others. I know A LOT a Jehovah's Witnesses, and I know none of them would keep harassing someone who showed not interested in their message. Actually, when out preaching most of my JW friends write down who they know is not interested, so that they won't knock on their door again. I know they JWs very well, because I study the Bible with them. If this women really behaved like the article says, that would be very unusual behavior from any JW's part.

If I had the means I would help pay their bail.

(Romans 12:17-21) Return evil for evil to no one. Provide fine things in the sight of all men. If possible, as far as it depends upon YOU, be peaceable with all men. Do not avenge yourselves, beloved, but yield place to the wrath; for it is written: “Vengeance is mine; I will repay, says Jehovah.” But, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by doing this you will heap fiery coals upon his head.” Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil with the good.

(Matthew 5:43-48) “YOU heard that it was said, ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ However, I say to YOU: Continue to love YOUR enemies and to pray for those persecuting YOU; that YOU may prove yourselves sons of YOUR Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise upon wicked people and good and makes it rain upon righteous people and unrighteous. For if YOU love those loving YOU, what reward do YOU have? Are not also the tax collectors doing the same thing? And if YOU greet YOUR brothers only, what extraordinary thing are YOU doing? Are not also the people of the nations doing the same thing? YOU must accordingly be perfect, as YOUR heavenly Father is perfect.

I don't have any hatred for that couple. I really feel sorry for them.

I didn't write that comment. I said I agree with the comment on page 2 of the link, and then I included the comment.

In all honesty, the use of a firearm in this is context is very ott. I have hear of a few story were mormons have been a bit insentience in sharing our message with others most of the time local church leaders take care to insure that it don't happen again. Yes theres an issue of the woman's point of view from the article, it just working out what is true and is made up Anyway theres very unusual behaviour from both parties involved in the event.

Your ability to lie without stating any falsehoods is impressive.

I was aware that the words attributed to you in the above quote were not yours and you were merely agreeing with someone called WW Jimmy. Howbeit, to disavow yourself from that statement is a half-truth of your own; the words are true but the intent is to deceive. The question now is: whom are you trying to kid, us or yourself?

This is the first time I responded to one of your topics, and it could be the last.
Ephesians 4:15

Until you learn to do that, I have nothing more to say to you.

Note to Kiran: though it is true we only have statements from Mrs. Kalapach in the original linked article, I couldn't find a more complete one and the lack of any contradicting testimony even in “Jehovah's Witnesses in the News” (which I linked to in my previous post) is significant.

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I find the whole story odd. I've never had a Witness or a Mormon refuse to leave... Though I, too, invite them in telling them that I have pretty firm beliefs and though I'd love to learn their philosophies, the chances of converting me are slim to none. Most of the time, I am highly disappointed because they chose to leave. I have never heard of a situation such as described in the story...

However, I also think that if the grumpy Catholic guy had wanted to shoot someone, he certainly would have....

Very unfortunate.