President Obama releases the long form copy of his birth cer

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27 Apr 2011, 6:24 pm

Make anyone happy?

No president should have to go to this length to prove himself. No other president was ever asked. Short form version wasn't good enough. State of Hawaii officials weren't good enough. Always there were calls for something more. Well, he produced the long form. Now there is no "more" to ask for. Do the naysayers even believe it?

What does Trump do? Apologize for making a false accusation? NO. He credits himself for having the power to make the President produce a copy. Not consistent with his stated reasons for making the claim in the first place.

Pathetic.

Do I sound frustrated? Well, I AM.


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27 Apr 2011, 6:37 pm

He should of released it a long time of go and saved everybody a lot of time. If he was going to wait until now, he may as well never released it. It's just a distraction to the real issues.



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27 Apr 2011, 6:51 pm

I wouldnt take it so seriously. The world is full of morons.

With any luck it will help Donald Trump with the teabaggers and convince him to run. That's a dream scenario for Obama.



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27 Apr 2011, 6:53 pm

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He should of released it a long time of go and saved everybody a lot of time. If he was going to wait until now, he may as well never released it. It's just a distraction to the real issues.


He didn't have it. The long form is NOT the common distributed legal copy. He had to send a lawyer to fetch it.

He says he got tired of the distraction. Don't blame him.

Originally he had thought the short form, the legal copy that gets a passport et al, should have done the trick. And it should have. That is the LEGAL COPY, for all purposes except Trumps and Teas, apparently.

The sad thing here is that all this trouble and the issue still isn't going to be settled. There are already claims the certificate cannot be real, and then new claims that he should release things like school transcripts.

Do what the critics say they want, and that isn't good enough either.

In a way, I guess, he's proving that it is not and never was about the birth certificate.


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27 Apr 2011, 6:54 pm

I hadn't heard that. I kind of wish he hadn't done it, so that the crazies could continue to discredit themselves.

I suppose he might've felt that the media was being distracted too much, and there are important issues the public needs to hear about right now. (i.e. the crazy stuff in Wisconsin and Michigan, and Detroit, and about Paul Ryan in his home district -- assuming that the mainstream media will cover any of that)



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27 Apr 2011, 7:38 pm

DW_a_mom wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
He should of released it a long time of go and saved everybody a lot of time. If he was going to wait until now, he may as well never released it. It's just a distraction to the real issues.


He didn't have it. The long form is NOT the common distributed legal copy. He had to send a lawyer to fetch it.

He says he got tired of the distraction. Don't blame him.

Originally he had thought the short form, the legal copy that gets a passport et al, should have done the trick. And it should have. That is the LEGAL COPY, for all purposes except Trumps and Teas, apparently.

The sad thing here is that all this trouble and the issue still isn't going to be settled. There are already claims the certificate cannot be real, and then new claims that he should release things like school transcripts.

Do what the critics say they want, and that isn't good enough either.

In a way, I guess, he's proving that it is not and never was about the birth certificate.


I have a hard time believing it took 3 years to find it. I think he wanted it to be a distraction and decided to pull the rug out now because Trump was pimping it as a campaign issue.



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27 Apr 2011, 7:55 pm

I don't think it will make any difference. People that think he was born in Kenya are no different from people who think 9-11 was an inside job or that the moon landing was faked. They only believe such a thing because it justifies their dislike for Obama. They'll probably say that the birth certificate is a forgery.



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27 Apr 2011, 8:12 pm

Jacoby wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
He should of released it a long time of go and saved everybody a lot of time. If he was going to wait until now, he may as well never released it. It's just a distraction to the real issues.


He didn't have it. The long form is NOT the common distributed legal copy. He had to send a lawyer to fetch it.

He says he got tired of the distraction. Don't blame him.

Originally he had thought the short form, the legal copy that gets a passport et al, should have done the trick. And it should have. That is the LEGAL COPY, for all purposes except Trumps and Teas, apparently.

The sad thing here is that all this trouble and the issue still isn't going to be settled. There are already claims the certificate cannot be real, and then new claims that he should release things like school transcripts.

Do what the critics say they want, and that isn't good enough either.

In a way, I guess, he's proving that it is not and never was about the birth certificate.


I have a hard time believing it took 3 years to find it. I think he wanted it to be a distraction and decided to pull the rug out now because Trump was pimping it as a campaign issue.


I didn't say it took 3 years to find it. I said that apparently the state of Hawaii issues the short form copy as the legal copy. Meaning the president's family may never have been given a long form copy. He didn't just "find" it; he sent a lawyer to the state to obtain it specifically because he got tired of the questions. Questions that persisted despite issuing a copy of the commonly used short form version, despite certification from state officials, despite certification from news agencies, personal testimonies, and more.

I have no idea where my birth certificate is, long short yellow or blue, btw. Obviously someone once saw it or I wouldn't have started school or gotten a passport. Most people don't keep it handy, do they?

I congrate the current REPUBLICAN governor of Arizona, btw, for vetoing a birth certificate proof law they wanted to make in her state as "a bridge too far."

The issue was supposed to die of it's own lack of merit. When it didn't, yes, the president prepared his next volley and picked his timing. Why not? He shouldn't have been pushed this far in the first place.


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27 Apr 2011, 8:14 pm

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I don't think it will make any difference. People that think he was born in Kenya are no different from people who think 9-11 was an inside job or that the moon landing was faked. They only believe such a thing because it justifies their dislike for Obama. They'll probably say that the birth certificate is a forgery.


They already are.


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27 Apr 2011, 8:19 pm

The fact of the matter is, if Barack Obama had been white, and say, his father had been born in Germany or Ireland, nobody would have ever heard any of this birther s**t. The one and only reason why Obama was attacked over the validity of his birth certificate is because he's a black man. Any tea bagger or birther who denies racism is an issue is a liar.

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27 Apr 2011, 8:47 pm

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The fact of the matter is, if Barack Obama had been white, and say, his father had been born in Germany or Ireland, nobody would have ever heard any of this birther sh**. The one and only reason why Obama was attacked over the validity of his birth certificate is because he's a black man. Any tea bagger or birther who denies racism is an issue is a liar.

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That isn't a fact at all, that is an opinion and a stupid one at that. Maybe people genuinely don't like Obama because he has been a huge liar and a terrible president?

Also, if his father was German they'd probably just say he was descendent of Nazis. Don't see how it would be any different.



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27 Apr 2011, 9:00 pm

Jacoby wrote:
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The fact of the matter is, if Barack Obama had been white, and say, his father had been born in Germany or Ireland, nobody would have ever heard any of this birther sh**. The one and only reason why Obama was attacked over the validity of his birth certificate is because he's a black man. Any tea bagger or birther who denies racism is an issue is a liar.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


That isn't a fact at all, that is an opinion and a stupid one at that. Maybe people genuinely don't like Obama because he has been a huge liar and a terrible president?

Also, if his father was German they'd probably just say he was descendent of Nazis. Don't see how it would be any different.


I don't think you are a racist
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there are racists in this fair country
and some of them don't like Barry
because he is black.
Barry has got a 46% approval rating look like some folks like him
ironicaly not me
Black people tend to be too conservative for my taste.


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27 Apr 2011, 9:06 pm

Jacoby wrote:
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The fact of the matter is, if Barack Obama had been white, and say, his father had been born in Germany or Ireland, nobody would have ever heard any of this birther sh**. The one and only reason why Obama was attacked over the validity of his birth certificate is because he's a black man. Any tea bagger or birther who denies racism is an issue is a liar.

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That isn't a fact at all, that is an opinion and a stupid one at that. Maybe people genuinely don't like Obama because he has been a huge liar and a terrible president?

Also, if his father was German they'd probably just say he was descendent of Nazis. Don't see how it would be any different.


Really? Really?
I'll concede there maybe some doubters who don't hold racial hostility toward Obama, but to say there isn't anyone in the birther movement who isn't motivated by race hatred is ridiculous. After all, among the birther organizations are the Conservative Citizens Council, which was originally the White Citizens Council, a vile racist organization which opposed desegregation in the 50's and 60's.

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27 Apr 2011, 9:21 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
The fact of the matter is, if Barack Obama had been white, and say, his father had been born in Germany or Ireland, nobody would have ever heard any of this birther sh**. The one and only reason why Obama was attacked over the validity of his birth certificate is because he's a black man. Any tea bagger or birther who denies racism is an issue is a liar.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


That isn't a fact at all, that is an opinion and a stupid one at that. Maybe people genuinely don't like Obama because he has been a huge liar and a terrible president?

Also, if his father was German they'd probably just say he was descendent of Nazis. Don't see how it would be any different.


Really? Really?
I'll concede there maybe some doubters who don't hold racial hostility toward Obama, but to say there isn't anyone in the birther movement who isn't motivated by race hatred is ridiculous. After all, among the birther organizations are the Conservative Citizens Council, which was originally the White Citizens Council, a vile racist organization which opposed desegregation in the 50's and 60's.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


There is a big difference between some people that don't like Obama are racist and that the only reason people oppose him is because he's half black.

I honestly think if Barack was all white he'd have a lower approval rating, minorities and guilty hearted liberals would feel a lot less obligated to support him.



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27 Apr 2011, 9:21 pm

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I hadn't heard that. I kind of wish he hadn't done it, so that the crazies could continue to discredit themselves.


My thoughts as well :) Apparently they're still at it though.


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27 Apr 2011, 9:24 pm

Well, it seems that Obama has once again caved to deranged, repugnant, ignorant pricks. But since it's open season on Birth Certificates, I demand to see proof that John McCain was born in the US rather than outside the base in Panama.

I think it's a good time to share this,

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Conspiracy Science wrote:
Obama hasn't released his birth certificate

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Obama has yet to release his real birth certificate, only a certificate of live birth, which isn't completely valid or legal.


In the state of Hawaii if you request a birth certificate you will receive a "certification of live birth". Birthers claim this isn't good enough and isn't a real birth certificate. Of course, it isn't as simple as they make it seem; as stated by the Department of Health spokes woman in Hawaii:

"The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past,... The department only issues "certifications" of live births, and that is the "official birth certificate" issued by the state of Hawaii"[60].

So, they are essentially the same exact thing.

If Obama Would just Release his Birth Certificate, He Could End All of This

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If Barack Obama would simply request his full birth certificate from the state of Hawaii then the questions [hysteria] would end.


This, of course, is related to the above but asks Obama to go the extra mile by filing a request to have his full birth certificate released. Obama's already provided a legal document and proof of natural citizenship, but that's not good enough.

In order to get the full birth certificate in Hawaii one must have a direct and tangible interest in doing so - basically meaning that Obama himself would have to do it[61]. So why doesn't he just do it? Well if you've ever read any other articles on my web site, you'd probably be aware that as soon as Obama does this the birthers will go bonkers.

Think about it, the president says he's proven he's a natural born citizen and doesn't need to provide anything else proving so. All of a sudden he goes and does it. Well, the same people wanting him to do it in the first place would start to wonder:

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"Why did he change his mind? Clearly, he must be up to something! This can only be evidence we were right in the first place!"


He's provided the documentation, so there's no reason to go further: it would only fan the flames more and solve nothing despite birthers claiming otherwise. Everyone knows birthers are blowing hot air, there's no reason to actually believe they'd change their stance at all.

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If Obama Would Show Us His Penis this Would be Settled

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If Obama was born in the United States he would be circumcised, therefore if we view Obama's penis and it is circumcised, this would be settled once and for all.


Not all males born in the US are circumcised, but it's a popular option and sometimes is done as a matter of practice without even asking the parents. That point aside, if Obama really was born in Kenya to a Muslim family, he would likely be circumcised anyway, because it's a common practice in Islam (though not mandatory)[65].

Furthermore, Larry Sinclair provided Michelle Obama was a detailed description of his penis and if we just got a hold of it we could break the story once and for all. Sinclair stated already, though, that Obama is not circumcised.

If Obama were ever to flash his penis for us all to verify, birthers would still not be convinced, they'd believe:

1. Obama was circumcised sometime since moving back to the US to prove later on he was born here
2. Just like the birth certificate, they'll demand to see the long form.



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