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11 May 2011, 6:24 am

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"Come, let US go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another's speech."

Genesis 11:7 (NKJ)

US???

who the hell is he talking to???

Schizophrenics frequently have multiple personality disorders and speak to themselves. Obviously only a grotesquely psychotic God could perform the horrors described in the Bible or make such gross errors of judgments. The guy (or gal or thing) clearly bit off more than he could chew when He made the universe and placed within it such a wild and rebellious creature as man and his kooky wife who gave birth to a murderer who is the ancestor of us all. Pity the poor thing.

and then they wonder why they get ridiculed every now and then....

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11 May 2011, 6:28 am

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it took him even longer to reach the americas...

What about Viracocha, Quetzalcoatl, or Kukulcan... I'm not saying anything definitive, just pointing out a myth(s) that could possibly support the idea that it didn't take God quite so long to reach the Americas..

I am really not all that interested in fencing with deity misconceptions but isn't there some indication in the Bible about God being jealous of other gods? It would be very amusing if he went under other names and since the Catholics have already split Him three ways further slicing puts him into the category of Wonder Bread..

ELOHIM......Genesis 1:1, Psalm 19:1
meaning "God", a reference to God's power and might.
ADONAI......Malachi 1:6
meaning "Lord", a reference to the Lordship of God.
JEHOVAH--YAHWEH.....Genesis 2:4
a reference to God's divine salvation.
JEHOVAH-MACCADDESHEM.......Exodus 31:13
meaning "The Lord thy sanctifier"
JEHOVAH-ROHI......Psalm 23:1
meaning "The Lord my shepherd"
JEHOVAH-SHAMMAH.......Ezekiel 48:35
meaning "The Lord who is present"
JEHOVAH-RAPHA.........Exodus 15:26
meaning "The Lord our healer"
JEHOVAH-TSIDKENU......Jeremiah 23:6
meaning "The Lord our righteousness"
JEHOVAH-JIREH.........Genesis 22:13-14
meaning "The Lord will provide"
JEHOVAH-NISSI.........Exodus 17:15
meaning "The Lord our banner"
JEHOVAH-SHALOM........Judges 6:24
meaning "The Lord is peace"
JEHOVAH-SABBAOTH......Isaiah 6:1-3
meaning "The Lord of Hosts"
JEHOVAH-GMOLAH........Jeremiah 51:6
meaning "The God of Recompense"
EL-ELYON..............Genesis 14:17-20,Isaiah 14:13-14
meaning "The most high God
EL-ROI................Genesis 16:13
meaning "The strong one who sees"
EL-SHADDAI............Genesis 17:1,Psalm 91:1
meaning "The God of the mountains or God Almighty"
EL-OLAM...............Isaiah 40:28-31
meaning "The everlasting God"

that are a lot of slices... but actually only four names are used here:

EL - god (singularis)
ELOHIM - gods (pluralis or pegan gods)
ADONAI - lord
YHWH - the name of the god (of israel)

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11 May 2011, 6:32 am

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This is what I found on the web.

Exodus 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

e.g. drinking water?? so no pics of bacteria?

or just water.... and no pics of fish??? Ichthus... anyone??

Ἰησοῦς Χριστός, Θεοῦ Υἱός, Σωτήρ

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichthys

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11 May 2011, 7:39 am

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sorry that i didn't took the time to make separate quotes.

Not a problem, and it grieves me that you do not seem interested in any actual discussion.

re-read this thread (and the other one) and come again...

you, among others, gladly ignored me several times in the two threads about atheists... :wink:

I never "gladly ignore" anyone (other than Sand for a while in the past :wink:

), and I actually made my recent response to you to be sure you were not being ignored ... and I also tried to be sure I had not done that in any kind of condescension.

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what you state now, is a common argument for people who have no clue how to keep their broken arguments alive if they continue debating with someone... they pull the "one cannot discuss with you" card out.

Possibly so, but it certainly is not mine. If you might decide to change your mind and discuss the matter of an agreed-upon definition and understanding of the word "willingness" as it appears in that previous post of yours, please just let me know ... and in the meantime, just rant away, and at will.

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11 May 2011, 7:40 am

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... isn't there some indication in the Bible about God being jealous of other gods?

No, that would be envy and non-fitting. Just like you and me, He is only/simply jealous of the affection of the people He loves (assuming you love somebody :wink:

he wanted his early minions to destroy a golden statue of some bovine animal... an animal that still is worshipped and holy in other religions...

he was jealous alright.

Yes.

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11 May 2011, 7:44 am

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aspi-rant wrote:

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Willing to believe = willing to delude yourself ...

I understand why you say that ...

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... enough that you cannot distinguish what is true and what is absurdity.

Yes, and don't you know that?! :wink:

then you are among the lucky few.

http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/alerts/l/blnaa04.htm

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp3629611.html#3629611

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willing |ˈwili ng |
adjective [often with infinitive ]
ready, eager, or prepared to do something : he was quite willing to compromise.
• given or done readily : willing and prompt obedience.

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11 May 2011, 7:47 am

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This is what I found on the web.

Exodus 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Yes, and I hope I did not sound argumentative where I had only meant to clarify ...

1) To be jealous is to closely guard what is already one's own;
2) To be envious is to covet something belonging to someone else.
3) "Other gods" have nothing for God to envy;
4) God jealously guards His own.

Note: You had said "jealous of" rather than "envious of", and there is really no such thing as "jealous of" at all.

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11 May 2011, 7:54 am

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jealous |ˈjeləs|
adjective
feeling or showing envy of someone or their achievements and advantages : he grew jealous of her success.
• feeling or showing suspicion of someone's unfaithfulness in a relationship : a jealous boyfriend.
• fiercely protective or vigilant of one's rights or possessions : Howard is still a little jealous of his authority | they kept a jealous eye over their interests.
• (of God) demanding faithfulness and exclusive worship.

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11 May 2011, 7:56 am

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envious |ˈenvēəs|
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feeling or showing envy : I'm envious of their happiness | an envious glance. See note at jealous .

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11 May 2011, 7:56 am

aspi-rant wrote:

that are a lot of slices... but actually only four names are used here:

EL - god (singularis)
ELOHIM - gods (pluralis or pegan gods)
ADONAI - lord
YHWH - the name of the god (of israel)

Only one of those is a name, and the others are titles.

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11 May 2011, 8:00 am

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THE RIGHT WORD

Envious implies wanting something that belongs to another and to which one has no particular right or claim (: envious of her good fortune).

Jealous may refer to a strong feeling of envy (: it is hard not to be jealous of a man with a job like his), or it may imply an intense effort to hold on to what one possesses (: jealous of what little time she has to herself); it is often associated with distrust, suspicion, anger, and other negative emotions (: a jealous wife).

Someone who is covetous has fallen prey to an inordinate or wrongful desire, usually for a person or thing that rightfully belongs to another.

In other words, a young man might be jealous of the other men who flirt with his girlfriend, while they might be envious of her obvious preference for him. But the young man had better not be covetous of his neighbor's wife.

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11 May 2011, 8:02 am

leejosepho wrote:

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that are a lot of slices... but actually only four names are used here:

EL - god (singularis)
ELOHIM - gods (pluralis or pegan gods)
ADONAI - lord
YHWH - the name of the god (of israel)

Only one of those is a name, and the others are titles.

ok... names is meant as in nomenclatures. better? :wink:

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11 May 2011, 8:03 am

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Jealous (Webster)
JEALOUS, a. jel'us.

1. Suspicious; apprehensive of rivalship; uneasy through fear that another has withdrawn or may withdraw from one the affections of a person he loves, or enjoy some good which he desires to obtain; followed by of, and applied both to the object of love and to the rival. We say, a young man is jealous of the woman he loves, or jealous of his rival. A man is jealous of his wife, and the wife of her husband.

I stand corrected.

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11 May 2011, 8:08 am

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I stand corrected.

thank you.

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11 May 2011, 8:21 am

aspi-rant wrote:

leejosepho wrote:

aspi-rant wrote:

that are a lot of slices... but actually only four names are used here:

EL - god (singularis)
ELOHIM - gods (pluralis or pegan gods)
ADONAI - lord
YHWH - the name of the god (of israel)

Only one of those is a name, and the others are titles.

ok... names is meant as in nomenclatures. better? :wink:

Yes, something like that ...

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Nomenclature (Webster)
NOMENCLATURE, n. [See Nomenclator.]

1. A list or catalogue of the more usual and important words in a language, with their significations; a vocabulary or dictionary.

2. The names of things in any art or science, or the whole vocabulary of names or technical terms which are appropriated to any particular branch of science; as the nomenclature of botany or of chimistry; the new nomenclature of Lavoisier and his associates.

My own personal issue there is with Christians who try to answer Proverbs 30:4 by saying "God" (a mere word that is not really even a name at all) actually has many names! :roll:

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11 May 2011, 9:14 am

Zeitgeist Part I: The Greatest Story Ever Told (33 min)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pgRUpDDrb0[/youtube]

this must be for "entertainment" only... since what they state about religion in this clip cannot possibly have the slightest bit of truth attached to it 'cause it is not mentioned in the bible... or... or... can it really be true, despite that?

oooh! so hard to tell... so watch and think.

:roll:

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