If so many people hate the rich-why don't we get rid of the

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06 May 2011, 2:32 pm

entrepreneurs?


All of them.


Then we will see what the rich do for us-won't we?



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06 May 2011, 2:47 pm

Because all entrepreneurs are rich I guess?



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06 May 2011, 2:48 pm

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entrepreneurs?


All of them.


Then we will see what the rich do for us-won't we?


Get rid of anyone seeking to start up a new business and thereby leave only megacorporations to kill off the small businesses completely? Might as well outlaw any form of money transfer without forms in triplicate witnessed by a Notary.



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06 May 2011, 2:49 pm

Ban money. Easyyyy


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06 May 2011, 2:52 pm

Actually, I don't think that people hate the rich nearly as much as they hate pretentious nouveaus. Those people, I would love to buy them for what they are worth and sell them for what they think they are worth.



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06 May 2011, 2:56 pm

On the plus side.

They are the reason the rest of the country has a job, house, are able to provide for their family.

They also work very hard...

Maybe they aren't so bad?



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06 May 2011, 3:07 pm

Noob wrote:
On the plus side.

They are the reason the rest of the country has a job, house, are able to provide for their family.

They also work very hard...

Maybe they aren't so bad?


According to one of the business textbooks I read for college in 2009, it is small businesses which provide most people their first time employment. Also, sole proprietorships were also said to make up 80% of the number of businesses, although corporations with 200+ employees make provide something like 60% of the federal government's revenue. Sole proprietorships, which can be said to consist of entrepreneurs, aren't the type of business to provide others employment. They consist of a person who employs and markets their skills (such as computer repair, accounting services, landscaping, etc) themselves and earns their own living through self employment. The type of small business which employs others requires a lot more paperwork as it is and most of them last for only 3 years or less. However, during their limited time running they employ a fair number of new workers who acquire employment history and references and thereby are more able to find footing in the more policy mongering job market.



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06 May 2011, 3:11 pm

@ OP
1) In what way do you mean "get rid of".

and 2) See Marxism.



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06 May 2011, 3:34 pm

I am reminded - periodically one of my colleagues would get a chance to go off to do research. Procedure - you ask permission and IF the department can get a replacement for you OR the teaching operations of the department will not be handicapped permission will be granted.

Permission was never withheld, even if there could be no replacement and there would be students who could not graduate because certain courses would not be taught.

BECAUSE if - for whatever reason - I vote against your paid vacxation YOU might vore next year against mine.

Thus and so - most will not choose to eliminate wealth if there is any chanve THEY might become rich.



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06 May 2011, 3:59 pm

If all monetary wealth had been eliminated we would still have the same issues.
Money doesn't cause anything, it's the emotional value people tie in with it that creates the problems.
It's just a tool used to trade with, if we didn't have it we'd be trading with chickens, services, or basically anything that's of worth to the person you trade with.
To be able to effectively trade without livestock, random errants, and other encumbering things people decided to use an item of universal value. Money.

Now we have people like entrepreneurs who, put frankly, know how to use it in a somewhat clever way.
Personally I'm piss poor, but if I had the skills, and expertise to be a successful businessman, I'd probably be one. And not give a damn.
I don't resent others for having more money then I do, it's useless to resent them for something they have rightfully earned, whether it's lawful, or not.

Also ganking literally all of the entrepreneurs would effectively make the current middle class rich. Of which I assume you to be part of.
So you'd end up expecting yourself to do something for people in the lower classes, and history shows us humans are severely self-centred animals.
I expect that if you had the money, you wouldn't do much more then go to a benefit evening, and give about 0.1% of your wealth to some kind of cause every two years.
You know, to keep up appearances, and meet people to make new business deals with, which will likely be highly profitable.



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06 May 2011, 4:05 pm

I don't hate people who are ritch, just the over paid butt holes.



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06 May 2011, 4:31 pm

LiendaBalla wrote:
I don't hate people who are ritch, just the over paid butt holes.


Isn't that something like saying I don't fear water, just di hydrogen mono oxide?
Being rich, and over paid is effectively the same thing. People don't get rich by having a monthly check which is equal to 100% of their expenditure.
If by overpaid you mean the service one delivers doesn't equal the reward he, or she receives, blame the person paying the employee.



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06 May 2011, 4:33 pm

Let's say that the reason I especially hate rich jerks is that they are proof that there isn't such a thing as natural justice in the world. Shores up my atheism.

If jerks are poor, they're still lowlifes, but it leaves the concept of "natural justice" the benefit of the doubt.



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06 May 2011, 6:33 pm

Sure.

Those who oppose horrendous want coexisting with tremendous wealth hate rich people.

Feminists hate men,

and ethical vegans hate humans.

Black Civil Rights leaders hated white people,

and the Jews hated the Nazis because they'd have preferred to not be exterminated.



This thread topic = laughable.


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06 May 2011, 6:37 pm

Episteme wrote:
If all monetary wealth had been eliminated we would still have the same issues.
Money doesn't cause anything, it's the emotional value people tie in with it that creates the problems.
It's just a tool used to trade with, if we didn't have it we'd be trading with chickens, services, or basically anything that's of worth to the person you trade with.
To be able to effectively trade without livestock, random errants, and other encumbering things people decided to use an item of universal value. Money.

The original post said nothing of monetary wealth-
it was strawmanning those who criticize and oppose vast inequalities of wealth among people, full stop.

That money is what's currently used to signify wealth is irrelevant.


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06 May 2011, 6:45 pm

Bethie wrote:
Episteme wrote:
If all monetary wealth had been eliminated we would still have the same issues.
Money doesn't cause anything, it's the emotional value people tie in with it that creates the problems.
It's just a tool used to trade with, if we didn't have it we'd be trading with chickens, services, or basically anything that's of worth to the person you trade with.
To be able to effectively trade without livestock, random errants, and other encumbering things people decided to use an item of universal value. Money.

The original post said nothing of monetary wealth-
it was strawmanning those who criticize and oppose vast inequalities of wealth among people, full stop.

That money is what's currently used to signify wealth is irrelevant.


I was aiming at the word 'rich,' and the line, "Then we will see what the rich do for us-won't we?" I wanted to point out that which makes people look up to 'rich' people is just a tool we use.


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