US gov't to promote citizenship in ad campaign

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25 May 2011, 2:15 pm

From: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110525/ap_ ... p_campaign

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"LOS ANGELES – The federal government will run a national advertising campaign to encourage more immigrants to become American citizens and become more integrated into society, officials said on Wednesday.

The multilingual effort aims to reach roughly 7.9 million immigrants who are eligible to file applications to naturalize but haven't done so. Many immigrants work, raise a family and go to school while holding green cards and only think about citizenship when they need to travel or abroad or when elections roll around and they can't vote, immigration officials said.

The campaign in print, radio and digital media that will run primarily in California, New York, Florida and Texas between May 30 and Labor Day aims to put citizenship in the forefront of people's minds and give them personal stories of immigrants who have naturalized.

"You've got to create that sense of urgency, and until they've reached that sense of urgency, they'll just coast," said Nathan Stiefel, division chief of policy and programs for the Office of Citizenship at U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.

It is the first time the immigration agency has launched a paid advertising campaign to promote American citizenship, said Mariana Gitomer, an agency spokeswoman. The effort — which will cost $3.5 million over three years — is part of an $11 million allotment by Congress to encourage greater immigrant integration.

Immigration experts say many immigrants don't apply for citizenship because they fear they don't speak English well enough or because they haven't felt a pressing need to do so.

About 64 percent of immigrants naturalize and it takes them on average nine-and-a-half years to apply to do so, Stiefel said.

The ad campaign includes portraits of immigrants born in China, Vietnam, Mexico, Dominican Republic and the Philippines who indicate they are "proud Americans" and share snippets of their personal stories starting a business, educating their families and even running for office."




Now... what's the point of this? There is zero benefit to being a citizen over a green card holder when it comes to living in the US. The only true benefit is the US passport.

Seems to me the administration realizes its current citizen base is too fed up with this crap and seems to be seeking a new source of votes. Maybe they'll even start passing legislation to give some sort of reward to those who become citizens (but not to existing citizens) as 'encouragement'.

This doesn't look good imo. Just odd.



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25 May 2011, 2:22 pm

Often green card holders have a primary loyalty to an overseas government, and change their outlook upon applying for citizenship.

That said, it would be better to have a push to get illegal aliens to take the steps needed to become legal. Perhaps this campaign will cause people to think about taking those steps as well.



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25 May 2011, 2:44 pm

They probably just want their votes.



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25 May 2011, 3:02 pm

psychohist wrote:

That said, it would be better to have a push to get illegal aliens to take the steps needed to become legal. Perhaps this campaign will cause people to think about taking those steps as well.


The law does not allow it. Only green card holders can apply for citizenship. Anyone illegal in the country can only gain residence by via an amnesty program... and that wont fly through senate or congress nowadays.



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25 May 2011, 3:55 pm

Dantac wrote:
The law does not allow it. Only green card holders can apply for citizenship. Anyone illegal in the country can only gain residence by via an amnesty program... and that wont fly through senate or congress nowadays.

Illegal immigrants can become legal by leaving the country and having their employer sponsor them for the appropriate type of work visa.



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25 May 2011, 4:50 pm

psychohist wrote:
Dantac wrote:
The law does not allow it. Only green card holders can apply for citizenship. Anyone illegal in the country can only gain residence by via an amnesty program... and that wont fly through senate or congress nowadays.

Illegal immigrants can become legal by leaving the country and having their employer sponsor them for the appropriate type of work visa.


or just pretending to leave the country save some bus fare .
That's brilliant I knew you ballroom guys had good heads on your shoulders.


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25 May 2011, 7:22 pm

i know many non-green card holding people who are taking full advantage of this with regards to gaining citizenship, as will I once I save up more money for full citizenship. It is a cash strapped government looking to increase its tax base.


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25 May 2011, 7:56 pm

Dual citizenship. If the U.S. allowed it, there wouldn't be this issue.



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25 May 2011, 10:13 pm

psychohist wrote:
Illegal immigrants can become legal by leaving the country and having their employer sponsor them for the appropriate type of work visa.


Thats a working visa not a residence permit. Those visas have set expiration dates and the company needs to continually sponsor the worker for it. If a person that is sponsored want to apply for residency he needs to have lived and worked in the US for I think 5 years and show no criminal record, be employed in a job the US needs and a host of other requirements... however its not guaranteed that he will get residence that way as he will be competing for the residence slot against everyone else that applied.

If the person is found to have lived in the US illegally even after residence is granted they will have their greencard revoked.

Yippy: Dual citizenship is allowed by the US. I'm a dual citizen.



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26 May 2011, 4:04 am

I'm surprised they even care. So long as government gets its tax revenue, they couldn't care less. Don't have to be a citizen to pay taxes or be taxed.



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26 May 2011, 7:09 am

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I'm surprised they even care. So long as government gets its tax revenue, they couldn't care less. Don't have to be a citizen to pay taxes or be taxed.

Yes. This might be about votes in the eyes of some, but I suspect it is more like the gub'ment flying something in the faces of California, Texas, Florida and New York.


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26 May 2011, 8:59 am

Dantac: Dual citizenship is not allowed in cases where an adult applies for U.S. citizenship. Only people who acquire it naturally (by birth, for example) are allowed to keep it.



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26 May 2011, 9:25 pm

I'm a dual citizen. Naturalized US citizen at age 29... so I'm not sure where you are getting this information.



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26 May 2011, 11:14 pm

zer0netgain wrote:
I'm surprised they even care. So long as government gets its tax revenue, they couldn't care less. Don't have to be a citizen to pay taxes or be taxed.


That's actually a pretty stupid idea! If they get the money from an illegal enterprise, it is ILLEGAL and probably problematic. If they get it from a LEGAL enterprise, the money would probably go ELSEWHERE if not to them.

SO, if you have $20, and it goes to 1 person, that is ONE place that pays tax, reduced costs in collection fewer subsidies, etc... If an illegal comes in, and the $20 is split between 2 people, two places MIGHT pay taxes, collection costs go up, and there may be a HIGHER need for subsidies. ALSO, it means we need MORE food, gas, etc... The idea that an illegal will add to the tax base is crazy.

We already have FAR too many people that are unemployed. BESIDES, california has FAR more people than ever, MANY illegals, and is poorer than it has EVER been! Then again, the same is true in MOST states in the US!



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28 May 2011, 2:32 pm

What does "naturalized" mean?

My spouse is from another country, and has been told he must renounce his current citizenship in order to obtain U.S. citizenship. Which he doesn't want to do (I don't blame him!) and thus he'll never be American.



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28 May 2011, 7:01 pm

Naturalized means I was born in another country (thus I was a foreign citizen), came to the US as a legal resident and applied for (and received) US citizenship.

Read the info below. Unless it is his country of origin which does not allow dual citizenship, he should be fine.

Concerning dual citizenship, the US gov. website states:

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_t ... _1753.html

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US State Department Services Dual Nationality

The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a citizen of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship laws based on its own policy.Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth.

A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.

Intent can be shown by the person's statements or conduct.The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. citizens may conflict with U.S. law, and dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist citizens abroad. The country where a dual national is located generally has a stronger claim to that person's allegiance.

However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the person later travels there.Most U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport does not endanger U.S. citizenship.Most countries permit a person to renounce or otherwise lose citizenship.

Information on losing foreign citizenship can be obtained from the foreign country's embassy and consulates in the United States. Americans can renounce U.S. citizenship in the proper form at U.S. embassies and consulates abroad.


also...

http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/M-476.pdf

Go to page 17 and start reading the who can and cannot become a US citizen.