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29 May 2011, 5:18 pm

Well, the aniversy of the clusterf.... of the effective firing of Shirely Sherrod is approaching. I think it's time to remember the serious damage to people's lives that Con Artists like Andrew Breitbart pose. While this event is old news, I hope it is not forgotten:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYA04mh1ykw[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HSp3QyU_Ls[/youtube]

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29 May 2011, 7:59 pm

To later in the video attribute conservative opposition to Obamacare as racism is racist. She isn't a flaming racist but still holds bitter views about whites (justifiably) that most would consider racist. But her experience is unique to her time(that she grew up in) and she's done more then gone through a change of heart. I wish her the best.

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29 May 2011, 8:28 pm

Andrew Breitbart is a soulless political assassin, who could are less about who he hurts in his drive to destroy his opponents. And clearly he's a racist, as his slam after slam of black politicians and workers like Shirley Sherrod plainly shows. I can't see how any fair minded Republican can defend this creature.

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29 May 2011, 8:31 pm

There you go again smearing people and lieing.

Andrew Breitbart released the tape as he received it, he tried to get the full tape and couldn't so he released what he had. In fact his objective was to expose the racism within the NAACP, it had nothing to do with Shirley Sherrod.

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29 May 2011, 8:35 pm

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A fair minded Republican is an interesting abstract concept. I have heard there was such an animal in the distant past but it became extinct during the Reagan regime.

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29 May 2011, 8:46 pm

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It has been Breitbart who's been smearing and lying about people. I remember one tape he had released (I believe it was posted here on WP, as a matter of fact), in which a group of black church goers are praying aloud. Breitbart had provided subtitles for the prayer, in which the black worshippers are made out to be praying to Obama![/i] In fact, anyone listening to the audio can clearly hear them praying, Oh, God, not Obama. As I can't seriously believe he'd pull the same stunt with a white congregation, I think this clearly demonstrates racism on his part.
If you can prove me wrong, at least provide evidence that he goes after whites as much as he goes after blacks.

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29 May 2011, 9:23 pm

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To later in the video attribute conservative opposition to Obamacare as racism is racist.

WTF??! ! I re-watched the first video and not once does Cenk attribute conservative opposition to healthcare reform to racism. I don't get how the hell you could get that from anything said in the first video and, while I'm not re-watching the second, I don't recall anything about heatlhcare reform.

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She isn't a flaming racist but still holds bitter views about whites (justifiably) that most would consider racist.

WTF??! !! Did you even listen to the video? It was all about how the clip that thug, Breitbart, attained was deliberately out of context and how the whole point of the story was about how one shouldn't be racist, describing the epithany she had and her change in attitude 24 yrs ago to one of thoroughly helping every farmer. As a matter of fact, even rudimentary listening skills should be able to tell any fair-minded person that her discussion was surprisingly past tensed, that she was talking about views she had, with a full scoop of rhetorical devies (my first thought, etc) that indicate the transitional nature of these beliefs.

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But her experience is unique to her time(that she grew up in) and she's done more then gone through a change of heart. I wish her the best.

Well, I suppose you're right there:

Wikipedia wrote:

Shirley Sherrod (née Miller) was born in 1948 in Baker County, Georgia, to Grace and Hosie Miller.[70][71] In 1965, when she was 17 years old, her father, Hosie Miller, a deacon at the local Baptist Church, was shot to death by a white farmer, reportedly over a dispute about livestock.[71] No charges were returned against the shooter by an all-white grand jury.[71] This was a turning point in her life and led her to feel that she should stay in the South to bring about change.[71] Several months after Miller's murder, a cross was burned at night in front of the Miller family's residence with Grace Miller and her four daughters, including Shirley, and infant son, born after her husband's killing, still inside.[72]]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resignatio ... ey_Sherrod

Nevertheless, she seemed to have gotten over that whole "racial hang-up" decades ago (and certainly before she served in that USDA post).

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29 May 2011, 9:29 pm

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There you go again smearing people and lieing.

Quit projecting.

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Andrew Breitbart released the tape as he received it, he tried to get the full tape and couldn't so he released what he had. In fact his objective was to expose the racism within the NAACP, it had nothing to do with Shirley Sherrod.

I'm sorry that you might not want to hear the truth, but the way Bretbart decided to "expose" the alleged racism of the NAACP was by airing, with no questions to the actual participant and no fact-checking, a video one of his sycophants obtained. Furthermore, even after he was made aware of the original context, Andrew shameless Breitbart alleged that Sherrod still sounded racist and claimed that the farmers telling their side of the story were probably plants. Truly a disgusting man who epitomizes the conservative sense of entitlement and lack of accountability.

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29 May 2011, 10:30 pm

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MarketAndChurch wrote:

To later in the video attribute conservative opposition to Obamacare as racism is racist.

MarketAndChurch wrote:

She isn't a flaming racist but still holds bitter views about whites (justifiably) that most would consider racist.

Watch the real full video(without commentary) in its entirety of the NAACP event or google it to find the speech's transcript:

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"You know, I haven't seen such a mean-spirited people as I've seen lately over this issue of health care. Some of the racism we thought was buried. Didn't it surface? Now, we endured eight years of the Bush's and we didn't do the stuff these Republicans are doing because you have a black President." - Shirley Sherrod

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeche ... reedom.htm

I wish they can ever find it in their hearts to truly forgive whites for the harsh experiences they went through, but in the end it is up to them for they were the ones who were wronged, and not I. But their history is integrated into their identity, and it does not allow us to move past this horrible past, but instead, use any incident that comes up as a chance to relive it. This isn't that much of an issue with the younger generations who've integrated well into American culture and society (much of which - from music to film to fashion - has been constructed and defined by Black achievement.) But the experience and bitterness of old black identity politics is only nurtured in Academia. It has less influence outside of it where there are competing identities competing for the black soul.

It persists amongst the older generations, and I hope it dies with Sherrod's, Sharpton's, and Wright's generation. Anyways, an interesting talk by Sherrod's husband for any who are interested - was given as a Keynote to The University of Virginia School of Law. There are some racial overtones after 10 minutes onwards where he begins talking about the problems facing blacks today.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m22eXuYNbkY[/youtube]

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29 May 2011, 10:36 pm

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I wish they can ever find it in their hearts to truly forgive whites for the harsh experiences they went through, but in the end it is up to them for they were the ones who were wronged, and not I. But their history is integrated into their identity, and it does not allow us to move past this horrible past, but instead, use any incident that comes up as a chance to relive it. This isn't that much of an issue with the younger generations who've integrated well into American culture and society (much of which - from music to film to fashion - has been constructed and defined by Black achievement.) But the experience and bitterness of old black identity politics is only nurtured in Academia. It has less influence outside of it where there are competing identities competing for the black soul.

It persists amongst the older generations, and I hope it dies with Sherrod's, Sharpton's, and Wright's generation. Anyways, an interesting talk by Sherrod's husband for any who are interested - was given as a Keynote to The University of Virginia School of Law. There are some racial overtones after 10 minutes onwards where he begins talking about the problems facing blacks today.

Well there's a convenient little cover. Any ongoing racial tensions are purely the fault of the blacks for failing to immediately forgive and forget centuries of oppression and abuse.

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29 May 2011, 11:29 pm

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MarketAndChurch wrote:

I wish they can ever find it in their hearts to truly forgive whites for the harsh experiences they went through, but in the end it is up to them for they were the ones who were wronged, and not I. But their history is integrated into their identity, and it does not allow us to move past this horrible past, but instead, use any incident that comes up as a chance to relive it. This isn't that much of an issue with the younger generations who've integrated well into American culture and society (much of which - from music to film to fashion - has been constructed and defined by Black achievement.) But the experience and bitterness of old black identity politics is only nurtured in Academia. It has less influence outside of it where there are competing identities competing for the black soul.

It persists amongst the older generations, and I hope it dies with Sherrod's, Sharpton's, and Wright's generation. Anyways, an interesting talk by Sherrod's husband for any who are interested - was given as a Keynote to The University of Virginia School of Law. There are some racial overtones after 10 minutes onwards where he begins talking about the problems facing blacks today.

Well there's a convenient little cover. Any ongoing racial tensions are purely the fault of the blacks for failing to immediately forgive and forget centuries of oppression and abuse.

only if you think blacks run academia... Which they obviously don't. The media also play a role in this as well, especially sources left-of-center.

Whose fault it is needs a dedicated discussion. I already excused Sharpton's and Sherrod's generation for their feelings of bitterness. At the same time, I also think it would be healthy if they took their views with them to the grave.

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29 May 2011, 11:47 pm

The Al Sharpton of today bears scant resemblance to the race baiter he used to be.

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30 May 2011, 4:47 am

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... the video ... the whole point of the story was about how one shouldn't be racist ...
As a matter of fact, even rudimentary listening skills should be able to tell any fair-minded person her discussion was ... past tensed, that she was talking about views she had, with a full scoop of rhetorical devies (my first thought, etc) that indicate the transitional nature of these beliefs.

Yes, that is what I had heard. In situations like that, however, many people cannot follow parallel thoughts that do not match.

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30 May 2011, 12:14 pm

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Inuyasha wrote:

There you go again smearing people and lieing.

Quit projecting.

Funny that you consider me calling you on the fact you're being dishonest is projecting.

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Inuyasha wrote:

Actually the video, both what Breitbart received and aired and the full video which came out later proved the NAACP (or at least the crowd listening to Ms. Sherrod) is racist. The full video exonerated Ms. Sherrod, and I think even the video Breitbart aired semi-exonerated Ms. Sherrod for that matter.

He went with what he had in light of the fact he couldn't get the rest of it. Furthermore, Sherrod did admit she was initially racist towards the white farmers; and then learned that the farmers were telling the truth and worked to to help them after getting a new perspective on things.

The White House fired Ms. Sherrod because they were afraid the story was going to be on Glenn Beck's show (probably because of the fallout from Van Jones). The other part you left out is that Glenn Beck came to Ms. Sherrod's defense and said the White House should never have fired Ms. Sherrod.

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30 May 2011, 12:45 pm

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Well there's a convenient little cover. Any ongoing racial tensions are purely the fault of the blacks for failing to
immediately forgive and forget centuries of oppression and abuse.

Some, but not all. Nearly every discussion that I've had with blacks regarding this topic has eventually come around to claims of ante-bellum plantation slavery using verbs in the present tense, as if such conditions still exist. True, there is racism; true, there is rampant and blatant discrimination; but to trot out something that ended 150 years ago to to justify blacks practicing racism against whites simply reeks of desperation (not to mention, hypocrisy).

Some of the black people in my History and Sociology classes claimed that every white man, woman, and child owed a year's worth of their salary to support black education in reparations for four-thousand years of racial oppression! Not only did they believe this to be true, but they accused me of being racist for asking that they provide evidence to support their claims (this was during the late 1970s) - meaning that if you so much as ask that they provide valid historical accounts of white-on-black racism, you are a racist of the lowest order. Much in the same way that asking a Christian to support his claims with valid evidence means that you are an Atheist.

The best thing that Mr. Obama did for this country was to get himself elected, thus stifling any claim that the white man is keeping the black man down. Even Jesse Jackson was recorded as saying that he wanted to kick Mr. Obama's a$$ for getting elected, which deflated the majority of his hate-filled rhetoric against white-dominated institutions.

Then again, maybe I'm just ranting ...

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30 May 2011, 1:09 pm

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Yes, that is what I had heard. In situations like that, however, many people cannot follow parallel thoughts that do not match.

While, Ms. Sherrod's intent may have been to point out that racism was stupid, the audience members clearly weren't taking it as such. Again, my stance is Ms. Sherrod was wrongly fired, there was racism being demonstrated in the video, but it was not from Ms. Sherrod, it was from the audience.

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