Christ’s Kingdom is “No Part of This World”

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20 Jun 2011, 11:29 pm

It took me four days to assemble this. It's based on a public talk that I found informative.

http://www.kxmode.com/JW/Christs_Kingdo ... his_World/

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21 Jun 2011, 12:20 am

What happened here? I could swear ["you should never swear", quips my mother] that I put in a response to this as did others. Did something melt?



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21 Jun 2011, 1:45 am

@kxmode: I mean no disrespect, and I appreciate your being a WP supporter. I also admire the passion of your beliefs, but my personal integrity leads me to ask the following in hopes of getting an honest answer either representing yourself or your church.

If Jehovah's Witnesses (or any religion that denies humans evolved) are so wrong about something that has so much physical evidence of many different types showing it happened and NO evidence yet found that falsifies it, doesn't that damage their credibility on spiritual matters not so easily checked?

Pope John Paul II said about evolution: "The convergence, neither sought nor induced, of results of work done independently one from the other, constitutes in itself a significant argument in favor of this theory." I know, many don't consider Catholics to be "true" Christians. Still, there are two words that back up what the Pope says: Nested Hierarchies.

There are nested hierarchies of many different types of data that all produce the same tree of life. Such patterns are expected and explained by evolution, but not by Special Creation (unless you believe in theistic evolution, evolution as a tool of God's creation). This tree of life is also shown by the chronological order and geographical distribution of the fossil record, and the fossil record includes MANY transitional forms just where they would be expected to be found based on measurements of other types of data.

IF evolution didn't happen, then why did God make it look so much like it did? And any church that tries to tell you that the evidence doesn't support evolution, or that the same evidence can be interpreted (read: ignored, denied or distorted) to support their view is either badly misinformed about this subject or knowingly lying about it. That's just the way it is, like it or not. If you don't like it, take it up with Jehovah. Don't shoot me; I'm just the messenger.


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21 Jun 2011, 9:00 am

kxmode wrote:
It took me four days to assemble this. It's based on a public talk that I found informative.

http://www.kxmode.com/JW/Christs_Kingdo ... his_World/

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Then of what bloody use is Christ's Kingdom. We live in the world, not up in the air.

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21 Jun 2011, 10:38 am

ruveyn wrote:
kxmode wrote:
It took me four days to assemble this. It's based on a public talk that I found informative.

http://www.kxmode.com/JW/Christs_Kingdo ... his_World/

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Then of what bloody use is Christ's Kingdom. We live in the world, not up in the air.

ruveyn


Not in the air, friend.

And I am in town for a little while, but this burg is NOT where I am at home.



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21 Jun 2011, 10:58 am

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Then of what bloody use is Christ's Kingdom.


Perhaps reading will explain. I recommend the section "The Foundation of Christ's Kingdom".


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21 Jun 2011, 11:02 am

kxmode wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Then of what bloody use is Christ's Kingdom.


Perhaps reading will explain. I recommend the section "The Foundation of Christ's Kingdom".


I marvel at your infinite optimism, recommending that to ruveyn.



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21 Jun 2011, 12:22 pm

Why hasn't my question been addressed?

I'm not saying Jehovah's Witnesses are incorrect in saying evolution doesn't happen. I know though that the evidence is different than the way they present it, and if it were the way they present it I would not have the questions I do. IF evolution doesn't happen, why are there literally tons of evidence strongly suggesting it does? And why should I trust opinions on spiritual matters from a religion that ignores, denies, or distorts this evidence?

I would respect such religions more IF they would admit that the evidence exists but say they choose not to accept it for religious reasons. To deny what is demonstrably real though, that is something I can't swallow.


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21 Jun 2011, 5:10 pm

TheBicyclingGuitarist wrote:
Why hasn't my question been addressed?

I'm not saying Jehovah's Witnesses are incorrect in saying evolution doesn't happen. I know though that the evidence is different than the way they present it, and if it were the way they present it I would not have the questions I do. IF evolution doesn't happen, why are there literally tons of evidence strongly suggesting it does? And why should I trust opinions on spiritual matters from a religion that ignores, denies, or distorts this evidence?

I would respect such religions more IF they would admit that the evidence exists but say they choose not to accept it for religious reasons. To deny what is demonstrably real though, that is something I can't swallow.


Because your questions are not on topic. You're more than welcome to start a new thread related to your questions. I might respond but I make no promises.


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21 Jun 2011, 6:20 pm

I beg to differ. You are offering opinions on spiritual matters. I am asking why I should trust those opinions when the official position of your church ignores, denies or distorts things I know are real. This is PPR where differences of opinion are shared, but even in other forums on this site it is quite common for the topic to wander from the original subject, frequently much more off topic than my question is.

I thank you for your reply though. Your silence on this subject speaks volumes.


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21 Jun 2011, 8:52 pm

kxmode wrote:
It took me four days to assemble this ...
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Millions of people are clearly disillusioned with their political leaders in government ...

will you embrace Jehovah’s way of ruling by means of his son Christ Jesus?

http://www.kxmode.com/JW/Christs_Kingdo ... his_World/

His son is not a means.


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21 Jun 2011, 11:06 pm

leejosepho wrote:
His son is not a means.


Granted kxmode's choice there is not the smoothest wording, still -

if the Son is - or at least [because why should I presuppose you a theology?] is often called / seen as MEDIATOR and INTERCESSOR, if he self describes as the WAY and the DOOR - "I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture." - why. then, "entering by Christ" and "embracing God through or by means of Christ" is surely not an unreasonable image.



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21 Jun 2011, 11:28 pm

Philologos wrote:
if the Son is ... MEDIATOR and INTERCESSOR ...

... that still has nothing to do with even authority allegedly having been granted as a means.


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