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14 May 2010, 1:26 am

I note that there are a few conservatives here, who might be interested to share more of their political views here.

What are your opinions on foreign immigration, sponsorship of foreign missions to remove terrorists, abortion, social welfare and affirmative action?

Please share your views here!


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14 May 2010, 3:12 am

I'd make some mild cuts to legal immigration and invoke national security to heavily screen people of Chinese and Koren ancestry applying for sensitive government related jobs (due to espionage problems)
Take measures to deport illegals and their kids (not just Mexicans) that would have them begging to go back to laws like Arizona's
Fortify the border
No affirmative action, but offer aide to people of lower economic status rather than base it on race
Continue the war on terror, continue renditions, but turn over U.S. citizens captured abroad over to the FBI to avoid 5th, 6th, and 8th amendment issues
Leave taxes where they are but cut the size of government except for social security, education, the military (but reign in a few like Halliburton and KBR), and increase spending for the space program and give it direction like Kennedy did
Create tax brakes for companies opening new mines and factories in the U.S.
Repeal Obamacare
Phase out all gun control laws and implement the castle doctrine nationwide
Implement the use of capital punishment for most violent crimes, gang related crimes, sex crimes, crimes by illegal aliens, and drug crimes (except for simple possession of a small amount)
Legalize new oil drilling offshore and in sensitive habitats
Approve new nuclear and geothermal energy plants if they are feasible
Withdraw from the Copenhagen global warming treaty (it's non-binding anyway) and relax clean air standards
Dictate new terms for NAFTA that would heavily restrict Mexican and Canadian trucks on American roads (fully expecting Mexico and Canada to adopt similar measures
Ban gay marriage nationwide (normally I'd be happy to get into a debate over this one but I have 2 huge projects for school that must be completed, so maybe sometime over the summer)


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14 May 2010, 4:12 am

ruennsheng wrote:
I note that there are a few conservatives here, who might be interested to share more of their political views here.

What are your opinions on foreign immigration, sponsorship of foreign missions to remove terrorists, abortion, social welfare and affirmative action?

Please share your views here!


1) Enforce the federal law against illegal immigration (beef up security so nobody messes with the borders again)
2) Grant amnesty to existing illegals (conservatives are not, in fact, Nazis)
3) Affirmative action is how we got the current president (and some of his advisors) into office, so I'm against it
4) We should protect America and Israel but not overextend ourselves especially when economy is in crisis
5) Partial-birth abortion is homicide. Morning-after pill is okay.
6) Welfare system is necessary, however people on welfare should be forbidden from having children. If they do, and at the moment of birth neither person in relationship has a full-time job, the child should be given to someone to adopt, or to a foster home.



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14 May 2010, 10:06 am

1. End all immigration laws. Anyone who wants to live in this God-forsaken country may do so.

2. Kill any suspected terrorist.

3. Ditto for homosexuals.

4. Outlaw all forms of contraception.

5. End all taxes.

6. End social security, medicare, and publicly-funded schools.

7. Banish all trade unions.

8. Let Israel and Palestine take care of themselves. "God's Chosen People" my ass.

9. Legalize prostitution.

10. End minimum wage laws.

11. Let oil companies drill any damned place they want. "Externalities" are just part of the price of capitalism.

12. End government regulation of financial institutions.

13. Free Bernie Madoff.



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14 May 2010, 10:46 am

pandabear wrote:
1. End all immigration laws. Anyone who wants to live in this God-forsaken country may do so.

2. Kill any suspected terrorist.

3. Ditto for homosexuals.

4. Outlaw all forms of contraception.

5. End all taxes.

6. End social security, medicare, and publicly-funded schools.

7. Banish all trade unions.

8. Let Israel and Palestine take care of themselves. "God's Chosen People" my ass.

9. Legalize prostitution.

10. End minimum wage laws.

11. Let oil companies drill any damned place they want. "Externalities" are just part of the price of capitalism.

12. End government regulation of financial institutions.

13. Free Bernie Madoff.


Bernie Madoff was a crook a defrauder.

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14 May 2010, 11:44 am

Alan Greenspan said there's no such thing as fraud.



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14 May 2010, 1:24 pm

That's true. If people don't check out where they are placing their money, and have no understanding of what they are doing, that is their own damned fault.

Bernie Madoff got rich, fair and square. That is what this country is all about. Not a bunch of clowns making a scapegoat of him and taking all his money away.

Also, the War of Terror needs to be waged by private, corporate militias.

When the government wages war, it takes far too long and wastes too much money. We have too many government contractors who are prolonging the war, so that they can go on collecting contract money. And, too many soldiers prolonging the war so that they can go on collecting bloated combat pay until they retire.

Private, corporate militias would take care of the war in no time. That's what the damned Second Amendment is all about. We don't need no government-run army.

We also need to abolish public roads, public parks, and public schools.

If a private corporation (like Disney, for example) can't make a profit from selling tickets to Yellowstone National Park, then the land should be subdivided into McMansions and townhouses. Teddy Roosevelt was such a socialist weenie that it makes me sick to think about.



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14 May 2010, 2:49 pm

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Private, corporate militias would take care of the war in no time. That's what the damned Second Amendment is all about. We don't need no government-run army.

We also need to abolish public roads, public parks, and public schools.


You make some pretty extreme claims I don't think I can agree with in good conscience. But these two I feel strongly about.

I disagree with private, corporate militias. They would certainly be more thorough, no doubt about that, and likely less money would be wasted. My concern, though, is a profit-minded company that can parade around the nation and throughout the world would be less concerned about the morality of its actions. Sure, war is hell--I'm not disputing that. But no matter what you think of G.W. Bush and his successor, the USA has maintained a limited war in Iraq and Afghanistan that has been far more effective than analogous campaigns in Korea and Vietnam. Vietnam taught especially ugly lessons, and if it hadn't been for the citizenry, very likely there'd have been an even greater commitment in Vietnam and even higher casualties. I wonder, though it might not be as likely, if the draft would have been used in Iraq had circumstances been different. At any rate, we fight completely different wars now, and I think that largely has to do with the experience of the national government as a whole. Besides, there has already been at least one controversy that I'm aware of dealing with private military consultants. Ever heard of Xe Services, LLC? Likely there would be MORE controversy with people like that running around everywhere, and they'd likely never show any cultural sensitivity or represent foreign governments in the best diplomatic light. Say what you will about the US military, but they really do try.

Having actually worked in a public school, I only somewhat agree. The worst of them would do a lot better if they'd figure out some more common sense approaches to teaching. First of all, for any REAL learning to happen, the kids have to learn to teach themselves, which means taking what they learn home and putting it to practice. Teachers have to win the hearts and minds of parents, first of all, for that to work. Students in private school generally tend to do better. Why? Because most middle-class/working-class parents that send their kids to private schools invest most of their income in the private school. They want their money's worth, so heck yeah they're volunteering for schools programs, hiring tutors, and making the kids do their homework. They also invest more in college prep, whereas public schools get LARGE sums of tax money for "tech prep" programs, which is just stupid. You'd do better to cut the kids loose when they turn 16 and let the unions get them. Apprenticeships today are STILL superior on-the-job training, and you're more prepared to actually WORK than the average lazy college kid (and you'll make more money sooner, accumulate years of experience sooner, and then you get to boss around that MBA you hated in high school when he can't get an office job!). Stop making the kids who don't want to be taught show up for school and reserve high school public education for those who actually care and really do want a better future for themselves.

I also saw a lot of public school TEACHERS who didn't really care, either, and keep in mind I worked in poor, predominantly minority districts. Instead of firing ineffective teachers, though, find out why they're ineffective. I can almost guarantee that the ones who aren't DO know their subject material and are gifted at presenting it to the class. What keeps a lot of these younger teachers down is having to conform to strict, regimental district policy when what they OUGHT to be doing is teaching what is REALLY important--forget about the "standards." I bet if districts cut a lot of the procedural red tape, a lot more young, vibrant, idealistic teachers would actually want to stay in the profession. I made it for 5 years--and I'm not going back.

I disagree on public roads, though. I think the way in which building/maintaining roads happens ought to change. In other countries, when roads are repaired, they're FIXED long-term. I can't count how many times I've driven over a road that, for years, was just FINE until one day I see one lane coned off for repaving (which takes 6 months to a year to complete). Yet when I'm driving within the city, it seems that projects are never finished. Here in Greenville, MS, Washington Ave. in downtown looked like something in Baghdad (I'm not kidding!) It was like that for over a year. But then they tore up Main St (which was perfectly fine) to repave it when they "discovered" that it had been originally paved in brick decades earlier!! ! So people threw a fit until city counsel agreed to restore the brick on Main St. Meanwhile, Washington Ave. still looks like a car bomb went off on every block. They EVENTUALLY repave it, but for what? One restaurant and a bank? Except they want it to eventually look like Beale St. in Memphis. I give up!

Now they're redoing a couple well-travelled accident-prone intersections as well as Tn. Valley Gas Rd. (connects a major state highway with Main and is highly travelled) with their "Obama Money." I think they ought to call it "Obama Blvd." We'll see how long those project hold up before they fall into ruin again.

Anyway, my main point is infrastructure spending is IMPORTANT as long as the contractors are doing the job and doing it right. It's wrong to do a [email protected]$$ed job at taxpayer expense just to see it go to potholes again and spend all that money just to keep roadworkers working. Fix it, and get it right THE FIRST TIME.

Sorry for the rant, but that's what we have to deal with down here in the Delta.



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14 May 2010, 3:00 pm

Pandabear, I don't think you are making a criticism of any real conservative. In fact, a lot of your platform is pretty libertarian. The only exceptions are these three points:

"2. Kill any suspected terrorist.

3. Ditto for homosexuals.

4. Outlaw all forms of contraception. "

Which could be some form of attack on social conservatism and things like that.

However, conservatives would tend to oppose you on the following points:

"1. End all immigration laws. Anyone who wants to live in this God-forsaken country may do so.

9. Legalize prostitution

Also, the War of Terror needs to be waged by private, corporate militias. "

Because of how mixed up everything is in your effort, I am not really sure you are really attacking conservatives in any meaningful manner. It is particularly absurd given that this is a thread for conservatives, many of whom could openly tell you how your ideas disagree with theirs.



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14 May 2010, 3:32 pm

Pandabear is an obvious troll trying to derail the thread. He's sitting there giggling at all the people who actually waste time and effort replying to his inane garbage.

If you guys keep replying to his kind, this thread will be ruined.



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14 May 2010, 4:20 pm

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What are your opinions on foreign immigration, sponsorship of foreign missions to remove terrorists, abortion, social welfare and affirmative action?

Yes, Yes, NO, limited, NO. :D



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14 May 2010, 5:28 pm

Though I don't identify as conservative per se, I skew more libertarian and thus share some opinions with both ends of the political spectrum. Most of my overlap with conservative ideals have to do with the idea of small government and personal liberties, I don't accept that just because a bunch of people happen to think something that they are entitled to enforce their opinions on me as to what I am and am not allowed to do with myself and my property. In light of that I tend to be for gay rights, against gun control, against the war on drugs, pro justice/prison system reform, pro tort reform, anti death penalty and pro abortion rights, just to name a few lightning rod issues off the top of my head. I tend to stymie people who like to stick to stereotypes concerning their political opponents since I'm not easily pigeonholed, which is just the way I like it.


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14 May 2010, 7:07 pm

Conservatives are people who say that in the future we will have no choice, most of us, but to live Third World style in shantytowns because "there is no alternative". They have a very bleak point of view, one that should encourage suicide.

One reason for this is that they see that allowing the plutocracy to gain further power is something that must not be resisted for this would be immoral. They think in a way that the plutocracy is ordained by God to rule over us all. They are the sorts who supported Louis XVI and feudalism back in the day.



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14 May 2010, 10:21 pm

xenon13 wrote:
Conservatives are people who say that in the future we will have no choice, most of us, but to live Third World style in shantytowns because "there is no alternative". They have a very bleak point of view, one that should encourage suicide.

One reason for this is that they see that allowing the plutocracy to gain further power is something that must not be resisted for this would be immoral. They think in a way that the plutocracy is ordained by God to rule over us all. They are the sorts who supported Louis XVI and feudalism back in the day.


Thanks for the chuckle, you zany conspiracy theorist, you.



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14 May 2010, 11:05 pm

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What are your opinions on foreign immigration, sponsorship of foreign missions to remove terrorists, abortion, social welfare and affirmative action?


1. Enforcement, pure and simple.
A. Send the National Guard to the border (anyone notice how they're called The National Guard? :roll:).
B. Create a sensible, guest worker program.
C. Trade imprisoned illegals for our imprisoned citizens in other countries. Next send any remaining illegals back to their countries of origin, with asylum available in certain situations.
D. Make Arizona's law law in all states.
E. Documentation and deportation. "You skipped to the front of the line... back you go!"

2. I have no idea what you mean by "sponsorship of foreign missions" to remove terrorists. You mean like Pepsi sponsors a mission to assassinate a Terrorist leader?

3. I'm against abortion except in life threatening situations where mother and child could die. This would be left to the discretion of the mother, father, and practicing physician. Provisions would be made to both mother and physician to pay for therapy if such an action took place.

4. Social welfare is a joke.
A. Social "security" is broke both functionally and financially, and as far as I'm concerned is a form of embezzlement.
B. MediCARE is broken. MedicAID is broken. Together they give a preview of what OmabaCARE is likely to be like; only, given the scope, I think it will be worse in the long term.
C. Unemployment benefits do help but people abuse the system. Once someone gets into the system it's too easy for them to get addicted to the system.
D. Food Stamps shouldn't be used to buy Twinkies and Ding Dongs!

5. Plain and simple affirmative action is reverse racism. It basically says you will get these benefits, not because of your qualifications, but because of the color of your skin. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. said people should not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I absolutely agree with that.

6. Abolish state and federal income taxes. Go with a 13% flat tax on all goods and services. Even illegals would be forced to pay this (even though I think they should be deported). This gives people who want to cut their spending the huge advantage to boost their savings. I would totally support this!


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