Religion needs to stay out of sexual ethics

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28 Jun 2011, 1:48 pm

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Yes. Religion and sex shouldn't have mixed in the first place. I'm not saying that it isn't excusable to use protection. Always wear a condom and I think prostitution should be legal too. I still think gay marriage is morally wrong. What do the rest of you think about this declaration of mine?

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28 Jun 2011, 1:51 pm

I picture Mr Burns saying that lol

Gay marriages are morally wrong but prostitution is not?

I think love should come before sex!

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28 Jun 2011, 2:00 pm

pree10shun wrote:

I picture Mr Burns saying that lol

Gay marriages are morally wrong but prostitution is not?

I think love should come before sex!

Every gay has a right too, you know. But in addition to personally finding it immoral, it just doesn't sit right for me. Sorry.

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28 Jun 2011, 2:01 pm

Why exactly should religion stay out of ethics and morality? I can see why politics should keep out.

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28 Jun 2011, 2:17 pm

I figure that your chosen faith can dictate to you anything that strikes it's fancy, from your sexual ethics to your breakfast.

Don't like it? There's another church just down the road.

Religion should stay completely out of politics, though.

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28 Jun 2011, 2:27 pm

blauSamstag wrote:

I figure that your chosen faith can dictate to you anything that strikes it's fancy, from your sexual ethics to your breakfast.

A terrible misunderstanding of religion, which, unfotunately, many organizations, including not a few religios organizations, seem to share. Up the Socializers and the Powervolk.

blauSamstag wrote:

Don't like it? There's another church just down the road. .

Another inconvenient truth, too convenient for those for whom religion is NOT Truth.

blauSamstag wrote:

Religion should stay completely out of politics, though.

Totally with you. It is a deadly temptation for the organizations. In any bunch people the Organizers will build organizations, and in any organization the Powervolk will ingest and excrete power, and all power does what? Class? Anybody?

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28 Jun 2011, 2:34 pm

Jet102fm wrote:

pree10shun wrote:

I picture Mr Burns saying that lol

Gay marriages are morally wrong but prostitution is not?

I think love should come before sex!

Every gay has a right too, you know. But in addition to personally finding it immoral, it just doesn't sit right for me. Sorry.

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"...in addition to..."?
You don't like the idea of gay sex. That's fine. The fact that you personally find it creepy, though, does not make it immoral... so why, if not for the religious reasons that you are admitting should be kept out of sex, do you think that gay marriage is immoral?

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28 Jun 2011, 2:37 pm

Philologos wrote:

blauSamstag wrote:

I figure that your chosen faith can dictate to you anything that strikes it's fancy, from your sexual ethics to your breakfast.

A terrible misunderstanding of religion, which, unfotunately, many organizations, including not a few religios organizations, seem to share. Up the Socializers and the Powervolk.

I personally will have no truck with any system of belief that denies the divinity of a bacon cheese burger, but if people want to believe that eating pork or combining meat and dairy are an affront to god, who am i to argue?

It would be convenient for sodomites if their religious leaders refrained from condemning sodomy, but when was religion about convenience?

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28 Jun 2011, 2:43 pm

Gay people - which includes lesbians, btw - could barely care less what religious people say about being gay, if only they would stop trying to inject their religious views into the government.

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28 Jun 2011, 2:55 pm

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A bacon cheeseburger, properly handled, or a grilled hard salami and Jarlsberg sandwich done as only I seem to know how to do it - v-e-e-r-r-r-y slowly - would be hard to give up.

But look you, every organization - from the Wednesday Afternoon Bridge Club to the United Nations - insists on you doing or giving up SOMETHING as a condition for inclusion. At least after the Socializers and Powervolk take charge, which is very soon after inception.

It may be a dietary item to eat or avoid, or a body part to remove or reshape; it may be an item of clothing to wear or discard (Amish I hear avoid zippers and minimize buttons), or a practice to avoid or - how shall I say? - practice. It may be sacrifices of cattle or money - the American government has not yet got its dietary laws straight but it insists you sacrifice cash.

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28 Jun 2011, 3:12 pm

On what grounds do you find gay marriage "immoral", assuming you are not using the Bible (or a religious upbringing) as your basis?

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28 Jun 2011, 3:58 pm

Philologos wrote:

blauSamstag wrote:

Don't like it? There's another church just down the road. .

Another inconvenient truth, too convenient for those for whom religion is NOT Truth.

I'm not sure what you mean by your response, but i'm pretty sure that as long as humans insist on believing things for which there is no rational basis, I don't think there's a way that a free society can limit what they choose to believe in.

We can limit their actions with regard to what they do to others, but not what values they hold dear or what they choose to condemn.

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28 Jun 2011, 4:05 pm

Jet102fm wrote:

I'm not sure what are you getting at, if religion needs to stay out of sexual ethics, then gay marriage wouldn't be an issue, I see some sort of contradiction in your post, or do you mean the law?

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28 Jun 2011, 5:34 pm

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On what grounds do you find gay marriage "immoral", assuming you are not using the Bible (or a religious upbringing) as your basis?

Unattributed - whom are you addressing?

Presumably not me, since I have not said anything that could so be interpreted.

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28 Jun 2011, 5:37 pm

The logical inconsistencies and the failure to give depth of reasoning in the OP astound me.

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28 Jun 2011, 5:38 pm

blauSamstag wrote:

Philologos wrote:

blauSamstag wrote:

Don't like it? There's another church just down the road. .

Another inconvenient truth, too convenient for those for whom religion is NOT Truth.

I'm not sure what you mean by your response.

Simply that - ever so Deconstructionist - many who partake of the Christian organization smorgasbord do NOT have any real sense of who and what God and Truth may be. They "go to church" because that is what you do or because it is good for the children or because they were well trained - and they switch churches if they see or hear something they don't like - especially if it is true.

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