Leave the Middle East alone.

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A lot of people want the Midle East to be more like the developed world. The neoconservatives want to wage war against the Middle East until it agrees to be like the developed world wheras a lot of people on the far-left want the Middle East to be part of some "world unity". To me this is like bullying someone or nagging them until they agree with you. The neoconservatives say, "we should kick their asses until they act like us." while the far-left says, "we shouldn't beat them, we should evangelize those brutal heathens!"

I have previously shown on this site that Islamofascism arose because people in the Middle East were afraid the Middle East becoming more like the developed world and neoconservatism has only made it worse.
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I am beginning to see that our world is becoming like the one in Nineteen Eighty-Four. in Nineteen Eighty-Four there are three countries that are always at war. In our world the three "countries" are the democratic world, the Islamic world and the socialist dictatorships. In Nineteen Eighty-Four Oceania is at war with Eastasia one minute and at war with Eurasia the next. I recall that not so long ago the democratic world was at war with the socialist dictatorships (I.E. the Soviet Union) and now we are at war with the Islamic world. The socialist dictatorships haven't disappeared, they have just changed from. They used to be Soviet Russia and now they are China and North Korea. What is going to happen when too many people realize that the war against the Middle East is a sham? The democratic world will declare war against the socialist dictatorships again. As we fight the Middle East, China becomes more and more powerful - preparing for war.

We need to just leave the Middle East alone. In trying to create world unity we are participating in perpetual war. How much blood are we willing to shed for world unity?

World unity? Forget that, I'd rather make it possible for people to leave this world into space than deal with the bloody politics of "unification" which will be nothing but murder of those who don't want "unity".

Lol it goes much deeper than that just read the book Economic Hit Man...lets just say it can be traced back to deals between you know rich bastards and rich bastards. I am too tired to go into a lot of detail...I have been having to think about some pretty deep things because of school assignments. I am taking psychology and sociology so yeah my brain is tired and I am thinking about having a drink and starting on my essay tommorow instead of tonight.

As long as the U.S. is addicted to oil we cannot leave the middle east alone.

The best way for the U.S. to get out of the middle east is to undertake a vast project of generating our electricity by means of nuclear fission. We have enough domestic petroleum to serve as a chemical feed stock for long polymers.

ruveyn

OP: we don't have that clean cut of a global culture anymore. People of different groups with different values are spread to the four figurative corners of the world in every country (except possibly those with immigration policies like Japan's). What that means is that there are no other problems in other countries that can't feel their way right through the wires and hit us. We can fantasize all we want about foreign lands being mystical worlds thousands of miles away, needing standing armies and navies to take on another nation, letters taking six weeks to reach their destinations over that distance, etc. unfortunately the world doesn't work like that anymore thanks to advancements in technology.

The Middle East can go rot.

It's nice to say that we should invoke the prime directive and allow the middle east to progress at it's own rate, but it turns out that for some reason we care.

I think we could be content to buy all of their oil and allow them to live in mud huts. That's not really the problem.

For some reason we like to believe that we live in a world where it's not ok to sell your daughter into bondage to settle a petty dispute between two families.

Much of the middle east still lives a lifestyle that could easily be called barbaric.

Where if a girl who's been arranged to marry some guy when she was 6 years old grows up to be a teenager who falls for some other guy, and this essentially means that they are condemned to be stoned to death, and if they fail to be stoned to death by accident of getting the heck out of dodge, their families will be endlessly harassed.

Yeah, it's all a rich tapestry of faith and tradition, and they use every part of the buffalo. I shouldn't impose my decadant judeo-christian ideal of live and let live.

Well considering we have a bunch of them trying to acquire Nuclear missiles, whom their religion dictates we are to be either converted, butchered, or enslaved; I don't think we can afford to simply ignore what is going on in the Middle East. We aren't talking about a group of Buddhist Monks that promote peace, tolerance, and nonviolence.