Open Source and Socialism
I don't know if this has occurred to anyone else, but it strikes me as though open source software is one of the most socialist developments yet seen. It is developed fairly spontaneously, not really owned by anyone, anyone is able to contribute... it seems almost reminiscent of cooperatives.
This I think brings up an interesting scenario. Perhaps people have heard of the 3D printers capable of producing basic objects (including those needed to construct another 3D printer in one case). If those are developed to the point that they can produce appliances (and there's no reason why not), or even computers, then the designs for these things could be developed in an open source fashion. The production of almost all consumer goods (at least the better established, less cutting edge ones) could non-violently and spontaneously move away from capitalism and towards what is essentially a form of socialism. Even if most people didn't want this, there could very easily be a sub-community who used only open-source appliances, similar to the open-source software using community.
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at some point all we see today will be what robot babies build to practice (metaphor alert)
open source is the future, the company i work for now use open source whereever possible, saving tens of thousands of dollars in the process, often with better features, better compatibility and less general hassle.
OpenSuse/SAMBA for the win
i could easily imagine this becoming an everyman process, the reprap has gained tremendous success and momentum and even drone technology today can be done in your backyard (many quadcopters are printed already)
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This I think brings up an interesting scenario. Perhaps people have heard of the 3D printers capable of producing basic objects (including those needed to construct another 3D printer in one case). If those are developed to the point that they can produce appliances (and there's no reason why not), or even computers, then the designs for these things could be developed in an open source fashion. The production of almost all consumer goods (at least the better established, less cutting edge ones) could non-violently and spontaneously move away from capitalism and towards what is essentially a form of socialism. Even if most people didn't want this, there could very easily be a sub-community who used only open-source appliances, similar to the open-source software using community.
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[? 1] I think you have a weird idea of 'socialism'? I think perhaps you would find that the culture of the open source software community is somewhat less centralised and anarchic [from an-archos = without rulers] and the values displayed syndicalist and co-operative, mutualist.
Personally I have little to do with computers but the ideal of open source culture seems to trump the corporate one easily and appeals to my generally anti capitalist approach to life.
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the 3d printer as in a pre-programed cnc machine? that is possible but beyond aesthetics, people gain value from value givers, so their money is buying value, and a 3d printer doesn't provide that, unless it can pop out a range rover, with a range rover badge on it as well. Value allows us to monetize things, and the debate on whether to shorten or lengthen copyright laws are over the same thing, as in... do things loose enough value over time wherein it is okay to let it out into the public commons for anyone to use. Businesses cater too well to the wants and wants disguised as needs of consumers for something like that to ever take off, take for example the democratization of design campaigns continuously employed by Target and Ikea. And even with the means of production for a great many things in the hands of the common man, like with Youtube, MyspaceMusic, Podcasting, and the many free apps online, we still outsource a great many things to corporate america with their R&D and know-how's. besides, that 3d printer would probably just print out junk that we don't need, and unless you are design-oriented, you would be better off recycling someone else's unused stuff or just making it by hand.
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Depending on the brand of socialism it may not be centralised. Cooperatives are favoured by some socialists. You will also notice that I made specific comparisons between open-source and cooperatives.
Well, I did recognize that it might just be a sub-culture of users. But even so, I think it is possible that there would be a slow evolution towards this, as people realise that it is more economical to use open source designs. The thing which would need to be realized is that at a fundamental level, a lot of what you pay for is the design, not merely the materials. Anyway, when it comes to basic utility, people are willing to use free stuff that is not a status symbol--just about everyone will use Wikipedia rather than buying a set of Encyclopaedia Britannica. Your point about needing to be design oriented doesn't make much sense in this context. The point of open source is that someone who does know how to do something makes it available to everyone. I use open source software, even though my programming skills are nowhere near what would be needed to design the software.
This I think brings up an interesting scenario. Perhaps people have heard of the 3D printers capable of producing basic objects (including those needed to construct another 3D printer in one case). If those are developed to the point that they can produce appliances (and there's no reason why not), or even computers, then the designs for these things could be developed in an open source fashion. The production of almost all consumer goods (at least the better established, less cutting edge ones) could non-violently and spontaneously move away from capitalism and towards what is essentially a form of socialism. Even if most people didn't want this, there could very easily be a sub-community who used only open-source appliances, similar to the open-source software using community.
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It's not socialist, socialism requires that the state gets involved and compels people to produce things for free. What happens with open source is that people act on their own free will to produce these things for free, they set up this enterprise sometimes with a different business model of accepting donations (such as wikipedia). Open Source is the opposite of socialism it is the product of free enterprise.
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I do hope that is satire. It's just on the boarder line where I can't quite tell.
Yes, it is satire. Heck, Open Source is essentially a form of charity, not socialism. A person puts in work voluntarily for the benefit of others to make these programs. Socialism would be having the federal government claim ownership of MS Word or whatnot and require everyone to buy it or give it to them after taxing them for it.
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to be honest i think the open source culture spreads far beyond software already.
look at the hackerspaces that populate the planet and how many brilliant inventions came through there.
the kinect concept was invented by a hacker and not a company.
open source is also more than charity it is cumulative knowledge and because it's free you dont have to sell your sould and first newborn to get access, in 10 years i think it will be hard to see any difference between comercial and open source objects.
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I do hope that is satire. It's just on the boarder line where I can't quite tell.
Yes, it is satire. Heck, Open Source is essentially a form of charity, not socialism. A person puts in work voluntarily for the benefit of others to make these programs. Socialism would be having the federal government claim ownership of MS Word or whatnot and require everyone to buy it or give it to them after taxing them for it.
As a commited 'christian' surely you believe in charitable acts? Or perhaps JC should have been selling the loaves and fishes or charging for his parables and healing?
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I do hope that is satire. It's just on the boarder line where I can't quite tell.
Okay, open source software is essentially anarcho-collectivist, which is one of the reasons it has been so successful. It's hardly "socialistic," and the people behind it really do it mostly for fun and the satisfaction of seeing something they have created run and do something useful.
look at the hackerspaces that populate the planet and how many brilliant inventions came through there.
the kinect concept was invented by a hacker and not a company.
open source is also more than charity it is cumulative knowledge and because it's free you dont have to sell your sould and first newborn to get access, in 10 years i think it will be hard to see any difference between comercial and open source objects.
I don't know, I think you will still find differences that arise from two dynamics.
1: There is some stuff you have to pay people to do. Like have a consistent user experience. The sheer amount of pedantry and drudgery required to accomplish this is more than altruism can bear.
2: The bulk of open source software is written by hackers for hackers. While some open source enthusiasts have what i feel is a wrong-headed ideal about broadening the appeal to bring disinterested parties into the fold, the underlying hackishness will persist.
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I do hope that is satire. It's just on the boarder line where I can't quite tell.
Yes, it is satire. Heck, Open Source is essentially a form of charity, not socialism. A person puts in work voluntarily for the benefit of others to make these programs. Socialism would be having the federal government claim ownership of MS Word or whatnot and require everyone to buy it or give it to them after taxing them for it.
As a committed 'christian' surely you believe in charitable acts? Or perhaps JC should have been selling the loaves and fishes or charging for his parables and healing?
peace j
Yes, I do. And as a committed badger you always have to assume the worst about me and express it either implicitly or explicitly, don't you? I'm neither against charity nor open source software. Does that surprise you? Probably so, since you can't seem to read anything I say without reading the devil into it.
