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CuriousNotion
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20 Jul 2011, 2:12 pm

I probably am asking old news (I should have asked 8 years ago) and probably should already know the reason why the US military went in to Iraq. But because Im never too certain about what articles and news broadcasts are truthful or just bias, I feel more confused than ever.

I just want to know someones fair, non biased opinion on why the Bush administration ordered an invasion of Iraq.

-why have the Bush administration taken action on Iraq for 'supposedly' having weapons of mass destruction , when there are announced nuclear weapons programs from North Korea and Iran ?

-Was the priority oil? Heres the thing I originally thought (when I was like 13) that the war in Iraq was for oil, but when I looked at the cost of war (nearly a trillion for the USA) and the cost of life , I felt that even if the motives where selfish it seems bizarre. I never saw any articles proving that america was in Iraq for oil. Maybe I should know better



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20 Jul 2011, 2:15 pm

Revenge. "he tried to kill my daddy", etc.

Finishing the mess his father started.



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20 Jul 2011, 2:20 pm

Money and Oil.....even my friend who fought in that war knows it was basically for oil, to him it was a job you don't hear him bragging about how great what he did was. His job was to kill people and that is just how it was.



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20 Jul 2011, 2:23 pm

Keep in mind that the fact that it did not result in cheap oil does not mean that the morons who conceived of it didn't think it would.



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20 Jul 2011, 2:24 pm

Like anybody here would have access to anything but the public toktok and variously motivated uninformed speculation.

What was the REAL motivation for the Punic Wars?



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20 Jul 2011, 2:26 pm

CuriousNotion wrote:
-Was the priority oil? Heres the thing I originally thought (when I was like 13) that the war in Iraq was for oil, but when I looked at the cost of war (nearly a trillion for the USA) and the cost of life , I felt that even if the motives where selfish it seems bizarre. I never saw any articles proving that america was in Iraq for oil. Maybe I should know better
That's right. The way the war was conducted has made oil unprofitable. If it was about oil why couldn't they have just defended the oil fields by setting up barricades, establishing big tent cities, counter battery radars and just leaving the rest of the nation to rot?

The war on Iraq is the result of faulty intel. Just about every intelligence agency at the time thought Saddam had WMD's but it turns out all he had was some old s**t and some mustard gas.



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20 Jul 2011, 2:31 pm

A perfect storm of stupid.
An american public stupid with anger and grief.(and kinda already quite stupid :oops: )
An american president who was well just plan stupid (God love 'em)
An neo-conservative cabal of stupid pseudo-intellectuals.
An stupid and incompetent "intelligence" community.
the florescence of ret*d radio.
Stupid Oil and support companies thinking it would be an easy War and quick profit.
A stupidly large Military (if you have the worlds most expensive hammer everything looks like a nail).

sure they lied but it was more stupid than conspiracy.


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20 Jul 2011, 2:33 pm

AceOfSpades wrote:
The war on Iraq is the result of faulty intel. Just about every intelligence agency at the time thought Saddam had WMD's but it turns out all he had was some old sh** and some mustard gas.


Nonsense. Every intelligence agency at the time knew that Saddam's WMDs had been destroyed after the 1st war.

The Bush administration actively sought any intel that suggested that this might not be true, and then accepted it no matter how specious it was.



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20 Jul 2011, 2:48 pm

blauSamstag wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
The war on Iraq is the result of faulty intel. Just about every intelligence agency at the time thought Saddam had WMD's but it turns out all he had was some old sh** and some mustard gas.


Nonsense. Every intelligence agency at the time knew that Saddam's WMDs had been destroyed after the 1st war.

The Bush administration actively sought any intel that suggested that this might not be true, and then accepted it no matter how specious it was.


quoted for truth


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20 Jul 2011, 2:49 pm

AceOfSpades wrote:
The war on Iraq is the result of faulty intel.
I think you mean "made up", or chatter from dubious sources swallowed wholesale with no verification.


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20 Jul 2011, 2:57 pm

I had NO idea so many Wrong Planeteers were so high up in Washington and so deep in the Intelligence Community.

What did Michelle Obama have for breakfast [like how many calories]?



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20 Jul 2011, 3:08 pm

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I had NO idea so many Wrong Planeteers were so high up in Washington and so deep in the Intelligence Community.


I don't have to be a fashionista to see that the emperor has no clothes.



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20 Jul 2011, 3:13 pm

Philologos wrote:
I had NO idea so many Wrong Planeteers were so high up in Washington and so deep in the Intelligence Community.

What did Michelle Obama have for breakfast [like how many calories]?


Please it boggles the mind there was a op-ed piece in the nytimes for Gods sake.
Wilson, Joseph (6 July 2003). "What I Didn't Find In Africa". The New York Times.
People were holding signs say were are the WMDs remember.
every thing goes right down the memory hole.
Anyone who uses the phrase "everyone thought . . ." is a moron willful or accidental.


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20 Jul 2011, 3:18 pm

Would anyone ask how many calories a MAN ate at breakfast?
Jeesh.

Anyway, the war in Iraq was an expensive version of cowboys and Indians, played by an overgrown child using real people and weapons.
IMHO



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20 Jul 2011, 4:29 pm

blauSamstag wrote:
Revenge. "he tried to kill my daddy", etc.

Finishing the mess his father started.


I think Saddam's assassination attempt on Former President George H.W. Bush had something to do with making George W. Bush have a short fuse where Saddam was concerned, so I agree that is part of it.

I think the other part is the intelligence that was submitted to George W. Bush and then Saddam trying to bluff his way out and give Bush Jr. the runaround, which is rather stupid (putting it mildly), and Saddam further made the mistake of not taking Bush seriously. Saddam was waving a red flag in front of an enraged bull and then he was surprised he ended up getting gored.

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1. Bush was already pissed at Saddam for trying to assassinate his father.
2. 9/11, George W. Bush was worried about another potential attack on the US, and then intel reaches his desk that Saddam is trying to get nukes.
3. Saddam acted evasive and almost trying to taunt a very angry Texan.


There were a few other factors, but really considering one of the positives is that Libya gave up on their nuke program, thinking Bush would go after them next, I think it was a good thing we went into Iraq. Imagine if the psycho in Libya started firing nukes at his own people.



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20 Jul 2011, 4:51 pm

The Iraq war seems a total disaster. It was ill conceived and not thought out. They probably thought they would get control of the country and make money, plus they probably wanted to create unrest in the region (again), as if it needed more. But yeah I suspect Bush wanted to get Sadam, and after 9/11 America was out for blood.