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Gak66
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25 Feb 2011, 1:46 am

and here is why its not a religion.

Christianity - getting into a relationshhip with god and also believing in jesus as his or her personal savior and also follow his teachings along wtih gods teachings to live a good life. i have put this in my best words possible.

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Religion - just doing some routine everyday while at the same time you also follow a life style that seems to hard to follow. something like that.

then you might ask, well what about sins then? or what about us going to hell? i can compare you to an apple right now.

you go to the store and buy some apples. you jsut randomly pick them without checking them and then you put them in your bag, buy them, go home, and when you want to eat one you find out there is a worm in one. so you throw it away and try another one. you find its a bit soggy and soft so you throw it away and then pick another one, and you find its juicy and it tastes good. so you eat the whole apple and then go one iwth your day.

now the good apples are those who got into a relationship with god and also were also good boy/girl like he wanted them to be.

the bad apples are the ones who acted so rotten and bitter towards god by not being good boys and girls and also mocking him and being rebellious against him.

so then how can you be saved? "believe in Jesus and you will be saved. you and your family" acts 16:31. thats all you have to do if you want to go to heaven. you dont have to do a ritual or whatever just simply go to a spot where you can be alone and make a prayer by putting your hands together and tell him that you accept Jesus into your heart. thats all there is to it.

well then what about spending time with him? do i have to pray, worship, and read the bible everyday? no. you dont have to do them all just be sure to spend some time with him or just talk to him all the time. mostly in your mind because other wise people might think your kind of weird and that you need medical attention. but be sure to at least read the bible when you have the time. just read maybe a story or so and thats it. or just do some verse hunting. you mark verses in your bible that you like and want to memorize or maybe copy onto paper and then put on your wall. something like that. you might even learn some stuff as well.

well then what about killing? how come god can kill people and we cant? you even read the story about Sodom and Gomorrah? to make things short those city's were very corrupted and sinful towards god. you can read more about it here>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah

now that you read that story you can understand that only the righteous people were pulled out of the city and then it was destroyed ENTIRELY. sad that Lot's wife was turned into a salt pillar because she looked at the city while it was being destroyed.

so then why call it christianity? why call me a christian when its not a religion? becuase its actually a slang term for a person who is a believer in jesus and also follows his teachings. (if you want to know what his teachings are then go read books matthew, acts, john, john 1 2 and 3, and luke).

hope this made sense.



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25 Feb 2011, 1:53 am

I would be the last to deny you the right to say that as long as you define your terms, though I reserve the right to quibble about meanings.

I myself find it useful to distinguish between religion/belief system and religion/set of practices and religion/organization.

But if you use your terms with meaning too far from the norm, you simply handicap your communication. Being what I am I can read you and get an idea what your actual intention is, but a LOT are more focussed on the surface of words than the underlying ideas and will not get you.

You could say - and defend the claim - that the USA is not a country. But for the Yank the USA is the stanfard example iof what a country is, just as for a lot of Westerners Christianity is the basis for our definition of religion.

Any further in this and I will get technical, which you may not want.



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25 Feb 2011, 1:54 am

one more thing i forgot to point out. sex.

Sex is not a sin if you do it after marriage

masturbation isn't a sin as long as you dont lust. PLUS it is also suppose to lower your sex drive. if its not working do go to porn just make moaning noises or do it in different positions. that way youll be able to get to your sex drive in order to lower it down so you wont rape someone.

homosexuality is a sin but that dosent mean god hates lesbians, gays, or bi's or another other homo. he loves them. he loves us all no matter who we are. he only hates same gender sex. because it is abomination and dosent follow along with human production at all. however that dosent mean you have to break up. you can still be friends or even close friends but not go into some same gender relationship.

ill update this later in case something else pops up in my head. if you want verses as proof then let me know. im not that very good at memorizing them so i just mark them in my bible.



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25 Feb 2011, 2:07 am

Philologos wrote:
I would be the last to deny you the right to say that as long as you define your terms, though I reserve the right to quibble about meanings.

I myself find it useful to distinguish between religion/belief system and religion/set of practices and religion/organization.

But if you use your terms with meaning too far from the norm, you simply handicap your communication. Being what I am I can read you and get an idea what your actual intention is, but a LOT are more focussed on the surface of words than the underlying ideas and will not get you.

You could say - and defend the claim - that the USA is not a country. But for the Yank the USA is the stanfard example iof what a country is, just as for a lot of Westerners Christianity is the basis for our definition of religion.

Any further in this and I will get technical, which you may not want.


responded before i could respond to myself!

anyway the reason why i say all is because some people might use other things that i mentioned before in the first post in order to make it look like it is a religion. so i took those common ideas that most people use against Christianity and gave a reason why they are that way. so it wont look like a religion to them.



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25 Feb 2011, 2:50 am

Not to burst your bubble, but since you're sharing your opinion here I suppose I'm entitled to share my opinion of your opinion. Christianity is a myth, a way of integrating the outer and inner worlds of experience. That's not to say it isn't true. A myth is a metaphor, a way to express things that are otherwise difficult or even impossible to express using language alone.

Sin may not exist. It is defined in an arbitrary way. So you say the word "sin" has meaning because it is in the dictionary, or the Bible. So what? Just because the word "ghost" is in the dictionary doesn't mean ghosts are real. Dan Barker was a former fundamentalist Christian who is now a rather outspoken atheist. While I don't agree with much of what he says, he has some interesting ideas to consider about what Christianity teaches. Read Dan Barker debates Jason Gastrich for his explanation of how the idea of sin is meaningless (the relevant part is near the beginning of that debate).

There is some reason to doubt whether or not a historical Jesus ever existed as a real person, or if he did, whether or not he was God incarnate as some today claim. And even if he was, perhaps his real message is that you and I are also God incarnate. It is possible to read the Bible with that interpretation, similar to what the Hindus believe, and in some ways it makes sense. I wrote an essay about that called Ye are gods.

Again, not to burst your bubble. You can believe whatever you want about whether or not the Bible is divinely inspired and inerrant. According to some definitions I can agree with both those statements, but by divinely inspired I don't mean that it was written by dictation, and by inerrant I don't mean that it is accurate in every historical or scientific claim it makes. To me I think insisting on those definitions misses the whole point of what the Bible is trying to teach us, but of course, I could be wrong!
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25 Feb 2011, 3:07 am

Gak66, I understand what you mean you say Christianity is not a religion. In a way, that is correct. Unlike other religions, Christianity isn't about doing the right things in order to be saved. It's about letting Jesus Christ do all the saving work for you on the condition that you put your faith in him and live the faith for him.

Note that I'm referring to the more biblical Christianity here (Catholicism is a different story).

Nevertheless, despite its originality, it is still a myth. Jesus Christ did not rise from the dead.



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25 Feb 2011, 3:42 am

he did rise from the dead though. otherwise if he didn't then the words "in the name of Jesus" wouldn't work. me and my friends used those words when we needed him and those worked every time. its like a Japanese sword. use it with respect.



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25 Feb 2011, 4:13 am

Gak66 wrote:
he did rise from the dead though. otherwise if he didn't then the words "in the name of Jesus" wouldn't work. me and my friends used those words when we needed him and those worked every time. its like a Japanese sword. use it with respect.


You've been watching too many Samurai movies, haven't you?



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25 Feb 2011, 5:50 am

Gak66 wrote:
he did rise from the dead though. otherwise if he didn't then the words "in the name of Jesus" wouldn't work. me and my friends used those words when we needed him and those worked every time. its like a Japanese sword. use it with respect.


Do you believe in the Tooth Fairy too?

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25 Feb 2011, 10:55 am

Christians are followers of Christ - that's the 'soul', if you will of Christianity. But the 'flesh' of Christianity is religion - not mere routine but the active living out of the Christian faith; the way of life that results from being a 'follower of the Way'. As a practical matter, you need both: religion to express faith, and faith to ensoul religion.


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25 Feb 2011, 11:00 am

Gak66 wrote:
masturbation isn't a sin as long as you dont lust.


How are you supposed to accomplish masturbation without lust?



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25 Feb 2011, 12:38 pm

MCalavera wrote:
Gak66, I understand what you mean you say Christianity is not a religion. In a way, that is correct. Unlike other religions, Christianity isn't about doing the right things in order to be saved. It's about letting Jesus Christ do all the saving work for you on the condition that you put your faith in him and live the faith for him.

Note that I'm referring to the more biblical Christianity here (Catholicism is a different story).

Nevertheless, despite its originality, it is still a myth. Jesus Christ did not rise from the dead.


That is debateable, we are talking about an individual that supposedly is quite literally the son of God, it would in theory be entirely possible for him to rise from the dead.



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25 Feb 2011, 12:42 pm

pandabear wrote:
Gak66 wrote:
masturbation isn't a sin as long as you dont lust.


How are you supposed to accomplish masturbation without lust?
The same way you shoot someone with an unloaded gun.



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25 Feb 2011, 2:40 pm

You just point and holler "Bang?"



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25 Feb 2011, 3:13 pm

AceOfSpades wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Gak66 wrote:
masturbation isn't a sin as long as you dont lust.


How are you supposed to accomplish masturbation without lust?
The same way you shoot someone with an unloaded gun.


masturbation focuses on feeling. not some thought.

and no i haven't been watching to many Japanese movies im just using the sword as an example.

here is another example. you are sitting on the couch and the remote is on the table in front of you but you ask your friend to get it for you. he tells you no and go get it your self.

thats how the words "in the name of jesus" should not be used.



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25 Feb 2011, 3:31 pm

Gak66 wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Gak66 wrote:
masturbation isn't a sin as long as you dont lust.


How are you supposed to accomplish masturbation without lust?
The same way you shoot someone with an unloaded gun.


masturbation focuses on feeling. not some thought.

and no i haven't been watching to many Japanese movies im just using the sword as an example.

here is another example. you are sitting on the couch and the remote is on the table in front of you but you ask your friend to get it for you. he tells you no and go get it your self.

thats how the words "in the name of jesus" should not be used.


What?????

Are you talking about those Japanese movies where the men are seated in a circle, all masturbating, while one woman masturbates in the center?

What's this about a sword?

Would the remote be to switch to a porn station?

What in the name of Jesus is the rest of this about?