On the sexiness of flight attendants: Discrimination?

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14 Aug 2011, 8:15 am

Those of you who have had the pleasure of using an Orient-based airline (e.g., Korean Airlines, Philippine Airlines, Japan Airlines, Singapore Airlines, Royal Thai Airlines, etc.) have certainly been struck by one thing: just how beautiful, young, charming, graceful, etc. the stewardesses are. I suspect that most of them are about 18-25 years old, with probably no-one past the age of 30. All of them could probably compete in an international beauty contest. They are all multi-lingual. And, they look really gorgeous in their airlines' uniforms.

Then, when you transfer to a US-based airline, the stewardesses are generally at least 40 years old (very few under 30), over-weight, frumpy looking, and nowhere near as charming as their Asian counterparts. Plus, very few of them would be able to speak anything other than American English.

So, how do you account for the obvious differences? Has the flight-attendant profession lost its lustre among young, sexy Americans?

"Discrimination" has become a dirty word in the American lexicon, thanks in large measure to the efforts of those dirty "Liberals." But, the airline industry is a competitive business, and Management is no doubt aware of the fact that many passengers would much prefer to be pampered by beautiful, charming young stewardesses, rather than be served by frumpy, overweight, old women.

Is "Discrimination" necessarily a bad idea?



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14 Aug 2011, 9:22 am

Freedom! For the cosmetically impaired!
But seriously:


In poor countries they can hire that way because labor is cheap.

Folks from south america tell me that you never see middle aged people working in stores nor in any jobs interacting with the public in their home countries.

To get a job as a retail sales clerk in Peru its like trying to land a starring role in a movie here. You have to be a young hot and in most countries female ( in some coutnries its guys and girls- in some its just girls).

So if you have to be hot and young just to be a minimum wage sales clerk who runs a cash register in the third world its not surprising that to be even in the running to be hired as a flight attendent on an international airliner in a poor country you have to have model quality looks.



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14 Aug 2011, 10:24 am

Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore are rather wealthy countries. Thailand and China are rapidly catching up.

And, their stewardesses are still quite hot. :heart: :heart: :heart:



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14 Aug 2011, 11:09 am

I've heard that being a flight attendant is really kind of a sucky job. A friend of mine who went through the training program for one of the mid-range US based airlines said the pay, benefits packages and schedules are terrible and she could make more money with less hassle as a waitress on the ground.
(She's also crazy pretty) So possibly the US airlines are just losing the hotties to more lucrative gigs.



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14 Aug 2011, 12:11 pm

Here is a brief history of the fight against discrimination for stewardesses in the USA.

http://femininityinflight.com/activism.html

American airlines used to have age limits of 32 years. Marriage resulted in termination. More recently, there has been controversy over policies concerning the chubbiness of stewardesses.

A lot of liberal activist judges have been conspiring to bring down the beauty and sexiness standards of flight attendancy over the years.

What next? Are fat, aging porn stars going to get liberal activist judges to force the porn industry to provide w*king material that features less attractive women?



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14 Aug 2011, 12:34 pm

I'd rather be served by someonw who is at least moderately attractive that a total dog. Flights are boring things at the best of times - better to have something to stare at (and mentally masturbate to) to pass the time.

What, I'm not the only one that does that, surely?



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14 Aug 2011, 5:25 pm

I have spent a considerable amount of time in airplanes--and in the cabins at the pointy end. While there is no question that carriers like CX, SQ and TG have well deserved reputations for passenger service, passenger experiences are not unmixed.

Generally speaking, FAs with Asian carriers have a maximum career of eight years--they are signed on for a four year contract, they are able to renew it once and then it's "up or out." The very good ones get promoted, and the rest are on the street. At CX there's a healthy mix of men and women, at SQ it's almost exclusively men. (In all my years flying with SQ, I have encountered only two 'purple sarong kebayas.')

What these carriers do extremely well is script the passenger experience. When flight attendants are working from the manual they know everything that they need to do (even the arrangement of food on the plates in First is set out in the manual), and they do it well--the same way every time. But when things are out of the ordinary, many of them are lost.

Among my "out of the ordinary" experiences are a couple of occasions when I have been called upon to render medical assistance in flight. I have had very mixed experiences getting assistance from flight attendants, but as a rule, the older and more experienced the flight attendant, the better capacity to assist me. (Not a hard and fast rule, but certainly more than one anecdotal experience).

It bears noting that the ultimate "out of the ordinary" is precisely the reason that Flight Attendants are on the aircraft: emergencies. The evacuation of SQ006 on 31OCT2000 was deeply problematic, with passengers reporting flight attendants frozen in fear, lacking competence, and leaving the aircraft before all passengers were accounted for. While there were also flight attendants who remained to supervise the evacuation (and several who died as a result), there is a question about whether the death toll would have been as high as it was if all of the flight attendants had discharged their duties properly.

Frankly, I don't care if the people pouring my drink and presenting my food are male, female, old, young, attractive or not. But I care very much about the ability of those people to give orders if they need to get 400 people out of a burning aircraft in under 90 seconds


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14 Aug 2011, 5:33 pm

pandabear wrote:
What next? Are fat, aging porn stars going to get liberal activist judges to force the porn industry to provide w*king material that features less attractive women?

:lmao:

Too late, dude! Google "granny milf video" or "bbw milf video" sometime ... AT YOUR OWN RISK!

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14 Aug 2011, 5:35 pm

Fnord wrote:
pandabear wrote:
What next? Are fat, aging porn stars going to get liberal activist judges to force the porn industry to provide w*king material that features less attractive women?

:lmao:

Too late, dude! Google "granny milf video" or "bbw milf video" sometime ... AT YOUR OWN RISK!

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Jesus Christ I'm not even going there. The thought itself is disturbing enough for me. btw wouldn't a granny be a gilf?



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14 Aug 2011, 5:38 pm

They are certainly hot and young. Plus the flights tend to be long so you go to bed being served by hot women and wake up being served by them. But whenever I fly in the US I think; this attendant was probably pretty hot 25 years ago.

Hooters still gets away with it. But as mentioned above experience in that job doesnt save lives. .



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14 Aug 2011, 5:44 pm

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Jesus Christ I'm not even going there. The thought itself is disturbing enough for me. btw wouldn't a granny be a gilf?[/quote]

Take it you don't know of the GSF then? ;)



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14 Aug 2011, 6:00 pm

I don't know and I don't want to know lol. I've already gotten too much information from Fnord.



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14 Aug 2011, 6:20 pm

Yes let's run into turbulance and granny flight attendent's hip replacement gives out... Yeah that makes a lot of sense...



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15 Aug 2011, 12:18 am

pandabear wrote:
What next? Are fat, aging porn stars going to get liberal activist judges to force the porn industry to provide w*king material that features less attractive women?

It's a given, japanese porn stars are way more attractive than their american counterparts.



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15 Aug 2011, 12:46 am

I think that visagrunt made the point completely. If the job of a flight attendant is to make the male passengers get off, then discrimination based on attractiveness is fine; if the job of a flight attendant is to make all of the passengers get safely off a burning plane, then it is not.



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15 Aug 2011, 8:25 am

LKL wrote:
I think that visagrunt made the point completely. If the job of a flight attendant is to make the male passengers get off, then discrimination based on attractiveness is fine; if the job of a flight attendant is to make all of the passengers get safely off a burning plane, then it is not.


I can recognize this point, but when you consider the vast odds of the crew being of much help if your plane goes down makes it somewhat laughable.

Here's what I see being the root cause.

1. Unattractive women angry that they could not get hired.
2. Attractive aging women afraid that being forced to move on when they hit X age could be problematic wanted a right to stay in their current job.

Sadly, the chief job of the staff is to keep the passengers happy, and admittedly most do just that, but as sexist as it sounds, the reason some people pay as much as they did to travel was to be pampered by good-looking staff who catered to their every need.

Now I regard flying as being put in a pressurized cattle car and little more than that.